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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio now here's

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Jean Steinberg our previous episode of

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the para cast with April's Sela we

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talked about sasquatch

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we ran to all sorts of weird problems

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getting Chris to work with Skype he

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would hear us we could not hear him and

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finally he had to downgrade his version

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of Skype this guy came out with a brand

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new version where it extolled the group

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calling features ladies and gentlemen

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but you know what if you can't make a

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group call who cares about the features

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so that was really kind of a kind of a

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bummer but we finally made it work but

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this is more interesting I am now using

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the new version of Skype in fact it was

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just updated again not that we're not

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still having problem with Skype for some

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reason why I connected to Chris it also

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called up his iPhone with no way to

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disconnect that iPhone from the group

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without ending the group and starting

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over again this is what we call an

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improved version of Skype yeah it's

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version 8 and higher if you want to use

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version 7 on the Mac I would recommend

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it because it will be less troublesome

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on the other hand the audio quality is a

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tad better with the new version so there

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is that we have Alejandro Rojas who's

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joining us from open minds of course

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he's one of those guilty parties

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responsible for the International UFO

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Congress and I bet and I bet Alejandro

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that you're working feverishly getting

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that together this very second I am

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working on that yes

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he's multitasking yeah but no worries

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I've got the last cut and paste and and

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then you are would you have me 100% okay

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so now we're getting 98% because he's so

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good at it Alex 98 I can I can divide up

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into two or three separate things and I

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give each somewhere

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percentage but of course whenever I'm on

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this show it's 90 or above that's

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necessary because to deal with you to

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characters well we appreciate that

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compliment sir and we resemble that

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remark but more more to the point here

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when Alejandro does that he becomes

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three people hmm so therefore from three

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different earths there's an Alejandro

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and they land on this earth to multitask

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I think there's some kind of

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multi-dimensional stuff that goes on -

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you think so yeah

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well by the way ladies and gentlemen

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they also killed net neutrality today so

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we're gonna have actually passed wasn't

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even vote yeah yeah they just nuked it

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Wow this means folks is that an internet

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provider a Comcast and AT&T Verizon or

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Cox this is strictly us thing of course

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the internet provider can throttle

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connections they decide they don't want

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you to get specific sites they can do it

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if they decide Netflix plays too fast

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they could make it run slower if one

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company owning their own cable company

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doesn't want you to stream DirecTV

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online DirecTV now it's called or sling

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TV from Dish Network and they want

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slower what are they gonna do they could

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make it slower and there's nothing you

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can do it's not that you can go to the

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internet provider across the street

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because more than likely where you live

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there is no other internet provider and

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you don't want to talk politics so I

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won't but the other side of the the

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aisle is they they say you know the the

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conservative side of the aisle is is way

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overreaching they're they're shooting

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themselves forget the foot that's

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shooting themselves in the head after

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they they're done

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totally tearing apart what's left of

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this democratic system they're not going

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to be a viable party

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they're gonna totally disenfranchised

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themselves from their base and everybody

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else and it's it's really it's just

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there's there's so butt-ugly stupid I

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mean let's get real okay that's the end

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of the politics ladies and gentlemen

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whatever your opinion I'm sure there's

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something there to disagree with I'm

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just telling I'm telling everybody what

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they already know and what some people

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don't want to hear but you know what

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it's also we're doing a radio show here

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where we talk about things that people

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may not want to hear we're telling them

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about Bigfoot we're telling them about

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poltergeists we're telling them about

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the ghosts we're telling them about UFOs

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and we're looking yes at areas where

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those things are real or people making

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up stories but we are also looking for

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the reality behind them not the stuff

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you see on reality TV where they're

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doing a docudrama or something we're

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talking about the real thing and that's

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not necessarily politically correct but

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on the other hand when we get into

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politics too heavily except in terms of

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things like UFO disclosure and such well

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then people retreat to their own bubbles

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and I'll say this regardless of what

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political viewpoint you have the only

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way to really understand what's going on

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is to leave the bubble and look at the

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other side see what they have to say

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maybe they've got a point you know just

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find out for yourself and also don't

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limit your reading to a few sites say in

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the US read BBC news read Canadian news

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read news from other countries see how

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they view us where the issues were

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concerned about I'm not telling you what

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to think

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I'm just saying get more information so

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you can come to a conclusion yourself

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about what's right

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that's my soapbox yep I couldn't agree

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more and I'm sure Alejandro will echo my

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sentiment certainly it's really

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important to be informed people and and

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when you see such reactionary politics

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that are touting themselves as one thing

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but are blatantly lying to us

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right to our faces you know when are you

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gonna say enough is enough I mean

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they're setting up the conditions for a

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slow motion civil war in this country

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and it's really going to be very very

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disconcerting for a lot of people as

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they flounder around in their bubble as

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gene puts it and I think you're

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admonished when gene is well taken in

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everybody take notes and that's true

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about the subjects we deal with too so

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for example one of the most interesting

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debates Alejandro this is something

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maybe you haven't been checking lately

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because you're so busy doing your other

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stuff we have a very active debate going

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on about the validity of the ETH theory

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about UFOs in fact we feature this on an

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episode of the power cast two weeks ago

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but the point is here is that debate

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will go on endlessly and maybe it's well

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beyond its prime in terms of learning

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anything but it shows here that you have

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to debate these issues you don't accept

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them you look for other possibilities

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anyway Alejandro not if you're with us

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and we want to really focus our

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attention on you the next international

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UFO Congress is going to be in February

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just what you guys are saying is

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important the debate because

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some people don't want to bait they're

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like I know this is it and that's it but

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the discussion is really important for

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everybody to to grow and and gain

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knowledge and you know that that's kind

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of getting into the UFO Congress that's

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kind of the perspective there is that

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it's trying to create a cross-section of

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the field to as best as possible

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demonstrate all of the different

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viewpoints out there even though

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especially listeners to the show who

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have heard me on the show before know

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that some if not many of the

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perspectives that are presented at times

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they're certainly not my viewpoint but

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sometimes we're fooled but often it's

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people who believe they're onto

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something and and they're working

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towards discovery and not to speak for

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you - but at least Who am I to say that

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I'm right on everything well you could

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say it if you want but of course we will

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all disagree with you speaking anyway

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we'll continue our next segment

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Alejandro Rojas of open minds TV and of

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course he is a guiding light behind the

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International UFO Congress can ask him

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about that in a moment you're here with

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Gina and Chris you're in the podcast

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you have a comment or question about the

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don't forget to visit our famous para

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I noticed when Chris says the para cast

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he has not lost his Sasquatch voice that

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sasquatchy mm-hmm how I feel in the

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mornings Squatch vlog okay let's stop

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the squatching here and continue so

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alejandro international UFO congress

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what you guys planning the international

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UFO congress yeah we've got a lot of

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great stuff we'd i wouldn't say we have

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one major headliner but i don't think

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that's an issue because what is also fun

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about the congress which nobody else

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does i don't believe and you guys can

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agree or disagree I know you will is

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that I think you'll agree with this

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though is that we bring a broader

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viewpoint or a broader amount of topics

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and and people to these than any other

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conference most conferences have you

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know and lots of people complain about

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this the same dozen names or so and sure

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we do pool from that dozen people but we

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rotate them we try not to have the same

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person for you know not only that the

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same people we had last year but that we

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try not to have the same people we've

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had the for the last couple of years and

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I think Chris is happy that he's almost

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out of the to three year window here so

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because he spoke not too long ago about

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his wonderful book about that cattle

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mutilations so we've got a lot of people

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here some of which this field is so

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diverse that one person's favorite

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research or someone that they're really

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into might be someone that you know many

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others don't know about and that's what

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makes it kind of fun so we try to bring

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as many people as possible that are

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doing some work out there and hopefully

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something fresh and new so people can

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get

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really wide view of a lot of material

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much of which they probably didn't even

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know existed and I think that's

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important because when you're just

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focused on let's say those dozen people

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it feels like those are the only people

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doing anything that's the entire view or

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the entire field it's just what these

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dozen people are doing and that's not

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the case at all there are thousands of

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people out there as you know you know

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you bring guests every week to the show

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doing really cool stuff so it's fun to

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get these people to be able to share

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some of that stuff and I think when

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people leave the Congress they can see

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like wow there are a lot of people doing

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a lot of interesting things much more

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than I had any idea about and many of

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these people are intelligent and have

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great credentials and so that's really

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exciting one of the people we've signed

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up and I just updated the schedule

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that's what I was doing just a second

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ago and we haven't even listed this guy

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on the speaker list yet because we

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haven't gotten all of his information

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but this gentleman's Allen Holt he's

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been working with NASA for decades

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behind the scenes he's been working in

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the UFO field consulting with MUFON and

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some other groups and finally you know

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he's feeling more comfortable to come

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forward and speak so he's going to be

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talking about you know the humanity

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becoming an interstellar species and

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what does that mean and and what if we

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aren't the only ones out there and that

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sort of stuff and that's one that I'm

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really excited about that we just signed

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up people will have some insight into I

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think you guys will probably be excited

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Robby Graham from the UK has an

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interesting perspective he wrote the

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book silver screen saucers and he is

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really excited because he's going to use

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this as a platform to kind of I think to

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give the UFO field the the what for you

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know kind of say hey this is where I

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think we're off the rails and this is

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where we need to go and that's always

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fun to have some controversy but well

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plus his book reframing the debate with

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the collection of very very smart

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insightful contributors I think is one

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of the more exciting books of the past

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year we've done by the way a number of

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episodes and

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other framing the debate were in close

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touch with Robbie about that so just the

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opportunity to meet him is something

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we're looking forward to yeah and it was

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hard because he said he's done with the

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UFO field and I've been trying to get

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him to do this and and other things and

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and our timings never been right he said

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you know what I'm gonna give it one last

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go I figure if I'm gonna leave the UFO

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field and you know we hear this

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sometimes where I'm out of the UFO field

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and they don't go anywhere they may go

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away for a few weeks or a few months he

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may really go away I don't know Denis

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Sanchez left for two weeks yeah a great

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example even what UFO today that site

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that you know he went away for maybe a

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few months Norio Hayakawa he went away

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for maybe a month or something like that

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but Robbie said at least I need to kind

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of do this I need to use this Pat

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platform which you know I think arguably

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or not it's probably the biggest UFO

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platform as far as an event to say my

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piece before I move on so I'm really

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excited to to have that for our event to

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be the place where he's going to do that

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I have to tell you here that it's an

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interesting life of speakers I mean a

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few people there we're not super fans

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but there are other people they know and

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I like to hook up with again of course

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William burns he's been kind of out of

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it since UFO magazine kind of crashed

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and burned and I'm really anxious to

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talk to him and see what he's been doing

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yeah bill burnt that's gonna be a fun

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one he's gonna be talking about

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presidents and UFOs I'm not sure if the

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books out or I know it's not out

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actually I did get to get a preview copy

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of this book that he's got a book on

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president and UFOs now he has obviously

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if people have seen the show UFO honors

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a very interesting perspective on things

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and so it's gonna be fun to have him

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back and one of the cool things about

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Bill and these are usually I think

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exciting lectures he's not using

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PowerPoint and a lot of people will say

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why don't they just get up there and

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talk in that to PowerPoint well that's

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what he's gonna do so that ought to be a

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lot of fun lots of energy he's very

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resolute about his convictions the

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things he feels he's got figured out he

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feels very strongly about

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and his perspectives are pretty fringe I

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mean they're pretty some pretty wild

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ideas

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it'll be fun because we like you said we

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haven't heard from him for a while so

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we're gonna be learning things no doubt

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and I worked with him recently I wrote a

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story ish for Halloween on this other

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book that he had coming out that came

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out about Tesla and Edison and one of

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their last projects which was a ghost

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telephone essentially really interesting

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book that was a really interesting topic

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so wait wait wait look ghost telephone

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so I can call yes my brother who's on

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the other side

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no they failed oh well so I can't call

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my brother maybe I don't want to call my

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brother unfortunately you can't tesla of

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course had watt more wild ideas and he

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thought this was possible and he and

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Marconi the guys who invented radio felt

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that they were receiving signals

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possibly from Mars they thought maybe

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they were getting alien signals or

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possibly these things were ghosts Edison

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thought this was completely ridiculous

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and then he got an assistant who was a

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medium which was a big deal during that

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period of time in the 20s you know

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mediumship and all of this was a big

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craze and he believed his assistant was

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really had this ability to talk to go so

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he thought wow if this is real maybe we

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can somehow detect spirits and things

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like that he came across a you know more

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of a scientific there must be some sort

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of matter or some sort of material

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they're made out of that I'll be able to

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register on a piece of equipment and so

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he set forth to create such piece of

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equipment he did create something he did

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feel that maybe it worked but he he

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passed before he really made much

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progress on that if there's even any

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progress that can be made on such a

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device

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yeah really interesting story a great

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book we're gonna have more with

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Alejandro and Jean and Chris you're in

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you are listening to GCN

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14th to 18th that is correct and we're

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looking at different guests some of

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course you know controversy like Stephen

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Schmitt he doesn't talk about Roswell

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there his lectures on dead J Allen Hynek

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know the truth about UFOs and the

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question I have Alejandro is when you

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invited Schmitt to come on did you say

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no Roswell no not at all in fact you

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know we try not to censor much sometimes

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people say what you're supposed to

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topics I have that I think are pretty

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interesting in this case and I think we

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know why he decided to move away from

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Roswell a bit even though he has a book

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out

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a new book on on the children of Roswell

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and essentially what they have to say

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guys this is a topic I often talk to him

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about Hynek because I'm a big fan of dr.

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J Allen Hynek s' and he worked for a

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high-neck in fact it's an interesting

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story how he came across Roswell he was

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working for Koufos the organization that

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Hynek had started after he worked with

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the Air Force investigating UFOs and

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Hynek essentially had assigned him and

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others to to Roswell so they went out to

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Roswell when this with this thing all

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came about and Stanton Friedman was

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saying hey you know there could have

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been a UFO crash out here and he thought

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it was all ridiculous he thought we're

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gonna be able to solve this and see this

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is just ridiculous in a weekend and here

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he is decades later still looking into

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it yeah yeah the tar-baby so yeah it

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right and so yeah I think it's a great I

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know he's been wanting to talk we've

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been talking about this he's been

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wanting to talk to hi about the high

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neck and high necks research for quite

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some time so I think this ought to be

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interesting

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you know what else I'm noticing looking

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at your speakers list Alejandro and I

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know Karen has been involved in them and

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also selecting guests and stuff and I'm

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noticing half the presenters are women I

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mean congratulations and good for you

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guys that's nice that half the

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presentations and presenters are women

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and I think that's an important step

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forward to kind of break up the good ol

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boys club sort of vibe that's been going

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on in the field for far too long

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I think women have as much if not more

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in some cases show costes work very

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admirable Linda's work of course to

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certain points is very admirable and I

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think it's important for conferences to

733
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you know use this as an inspiration to

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invite more women far too long I think

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men have dominated this field and it's

736
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you know kudos goes out to you guys and

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congratulations I you know before we get

738
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too far along

739
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what is the actual status of the

740
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Congress I've been hearing rumors over

741
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the past few months that John Rio and

742
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Angela aren't as involved as much as

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they have been in the past and that you

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and Karen are pretty much a bear do I

745
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have pretty much taken this thing over

746
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is this true

747
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yeah that is true again you know I'm

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essentially an employee you know but I

749
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do a lot of the coordination but yeah

750
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Karen purchased it so karen owns it so

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the new company and you'll see this all

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over the place is out of this world

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media and event which is what karen

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created and so she owns a john no longer

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owns it

756
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Angela ray Oh John Rao's daughter then

757
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is not involved she was you know looking

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out for the interests of her father and

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and works for her father so well well

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she was not in the managing director for

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the last probably seven or eight years I

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would imagine yeah so she has kind of

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had that you know kind of a fiscal

764
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oversight and stuff handling

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registration and stuff for the

766
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conference so yeah so now it is now

767
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they're still involved open minds John

768
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still owns open minds which I work for

769
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and now Karen owns the Congress which I

770
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also work for and we still have a

771
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partnership in that open mind to sell

772
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major sponsor in fact we were at the

773
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office just yesterday talking with John

774
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and you know working on some stuff but

775
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so there's still a very tight

776
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relationship right but yeah but he's off

777
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the hot seat now with his board of

778
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directors and so he's off that hot seat

779
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as far as the finances and and but he's

780
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still you wouldn't know it it was more

781
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like he is just wanting to retire and

782
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although he we handle most everything he

783
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feels very responsible when it comes to

784
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the conference we've it's kind of a

785
00:33:39,990 --> 00:33:38,260
burden on his shoulders so he's trying

786
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to kind of unload so he can more and

787
00:33:45,149 --> 00:33:43,779
more truly retire and that's what the

788
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:45,159
baby is old enough to get out of the

789
00:33:52,169 --> 00:33:50,559
house you know yeah yeah yeah so it it's

790
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you know a lot of discovery for us

791
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:53,830
people who have been coming to the

792
00:33:56,789 --> 00:33:55,360
conference for a little while have seen

793
00:33:58,860 --> 00:33:56,799
you know we're maybe a couple weeks

794
00:34:00,690 --> 00:33:58,870
behind from last year on some

795
00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:00,700
notifications and stuff like that but

796
00:34:05,369 --> 00:34:02,710
not much just because we had this

797
00:34:07,849 --> 00:34:05,379
corporation to set up which Karen has

798
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:07,859
spearheaded and been a lot of work but

799
00:34:12,569 --> 00:34:10,450
otherwise things are going very smoothly

800
00:34:16,050 --> 00:34:12,579
and you noticed one of the changes I

801
00:34:19,740 --> 00:34:16,060
mean I very much seek to have as many

802
00:34:22,260 --> 00:34:19,750
women represented as possible however I

803
00:34:24,030 --> 00:34:22,270
have a certain perspective when it comes

804
00:34:27,389 --> 00:34:24,040
to this field which is you know I think

805
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very similar to to you all and and so

806
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:29,980
when it comes to kind of the nuts and

807
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:32,800
bolts side of things it gets a little

808
00:34:37,050 --> 00:34:35,050
more difficult to find speakers female

809
00:34:38,609 --> 00:34:37,060
speakers along those lines there are

810
00:34:40,740 --> 00:34:38,619
some there's some great ones Cheryl

811
00:34:43,020 --> 00:34:40,750
Kosta Debbie's Eagle Meyer isn't

812
00:34:44,909 --> 00:34:43,030
speaking this year but I think she's

813
00:34:47,909 --> 00:34:44,919
great but there's a number of others and

814
00:34:53,579 --> 00:34:47,919
so it was really helpful for Karen to

815
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:53,589
come in and be able to not only be able

816
00:34:58,980 --> 00:34:56,770
to bring that that side of things but

817
00:35:00,660 --> 00:34:58,990
then also she's got the final call so I

818
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:00,670
can't trump her and say now away that's

819
00:35:06,450 --> 00:35:04,089
too crazy but it brings a good yin and

820
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yang which is always very very important

821
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:08,560
one thing you know and especially in

822
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these days when it comes to gender and

823
00:35:14,670 --> 00:35:12,670
race issues and I learned this a long

824
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:14,680
time ago I was really involved

825
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especially with race issues in college

826
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and younger is that you just cannot

827
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sympathize completely you cannot

828
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understand the perspective of someone

829
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else in someone else and different shoes

830
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you really need that representation you

831
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need someone you trust who is from that

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environment to bring that perspective

833
00:35:42,150 --> 00:35:39,400
and to really represent that side of

834
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things and now that we have Karen as the

835
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:44,740
top role you know we've got someone here

836
00:35:49,950 --> 00:35:47,290
who can bring that feminine energy and

837
00:35:52,319 --> 00:35:49,960
really represent that and I know we all

838
00:35:54,359 --> 00:35:52,329
like to feel that why I think great of

839
00:35:56,460 --> 00:35:54,369
women and then other races so I think I

840
00:35:58,650 --> 00:35:56,470
can be balance but it's just not

841
00:36:01,260 --> 00:35:58,660
possible we did we haven't lived those

842
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:01,270
same experiences you need that input

843
00:36:06,350 --> 00:36:04,530
from these different groups of people

844
00:36:09,500 --> 00:36:06,360
and I think this conference is an

845
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:09,510
example Caryn's input you know you can

846
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see a definite influence there in a very

847
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:15,780
positive one I think now I'm looking at

848
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:17,610
another thing which is positive and it

849
00:36:22,730 --> 00:36:20,130
may be a minor thing the site has been

850
00:36:24,650 --> 00:36:22,740
redesigned it's much more readable it

851
00:36:27,260 --> 00:36:24,660
used to be used to be dark grey

852
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backgrounds with black type and a lot of

853
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times old people like me couldn't see

854
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anything and now you know and I kept

855
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complaining to you too but I don't think

856
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:35,700
it's because you listened to me but

857
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we'll go into that in our next segment

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Alejandro Rojas Jean and Chris you're in

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967
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little bit later as we progress past the

968
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International UFO Congress we are going

969
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to talk about the world of the

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paranormal in 2017 since we're running

971
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out of episodes for this year we've got

972
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like two more after this and next week

973
00:41:41,870 --> 00:41:39,470
we'll have rosemary ellen guiley

974
00:41:44,450 --> 00:41:41,880
alejandro so i was saying your site

975
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looks better much more readable now and

976
00:41:49,250 --> 00:41:46,680
I really appreciate that I'm sure it's

977
00:41:51,260 --> 00:41:49,260
not because of anything I said it was

978
00:41:53,630 --> 00:41:51,270
exactly it was a hundred percent had to

979
00:41:55,850 --> 00:41:53,640
do with what you said because you know

980
00:41:58,640 --> 00:41:55,860
I'm also an Apple person and I know I

981
00:42:01,220 --> 00:41:58,650
know you are too so most people did not

982
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:01,230
see those issues that you had told me

983
00:42:06,260 --> 00:42:03,810
about and it was frustrating for me too

984
00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:06,270
and so the reason it didn't get done

985
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:08,280
quickly it's because it took me a very

986
00:42:13,700 --> 00:42:11,130
long time to troubleshoot the issue to

987
00:42:16,310 --> 00:42:13,710
figure out what the heck was causing

988
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:16,320
this problem and funny enough it was a

989
00:42:22,220 --> 00:42:19,050
WordPress setting that is supposed to

990
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:22,230
optimize the retina experience so it's

991
00:42:27,020 --> 00:42:24,090
supposed to optimize the Apple

992
00:42:29,630 --> 00:42:27,030
experience and I turned that off in my

993
00:42:31,310 --> 00:42:29,640
troubleshooting and it solved the issue

994
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:31,320
I didn't even figure that that that

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would happen I was just gonna observe

996
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the difference in my troubleshooting

997
00:42:39,290 --> 00:42:37,590
steps and that was it so funny enough

998
00:42:41,930 --> 00:42:39,300
that resolved the issue thank goodness

999
00:42:43,220 --> 00:42:41,940
but I wouldn't have tried so hard if you

1000
00:42:45,020 --> 00:42:43,230
wouldn't have been pushing me and

1001
00:42:46,580 --> 00:42:45,030
especially when you kept reminding me

1002
00:42:48,770 --> 00:42:46,590
that reminded me I gotta go back and

1003
00:42:50,420 --> 00:42:48,780
keep troubleshooting this issue till I

1004
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:50,430
figure it out and finally we did figure

1005
00:42:55,790 --> 00:42:53,010
it out well I'm glad you did I'm glad it

1006
00:42:59,660 --> 00:42:55,800
was that of course WordPress is like the

1007
00:43:01,550 --> 00:42:59,670
most used platform for internet sites so

1008
00:43:03,140 --> 00:43:01,560
it kind of explains why you were using

1009
00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:03,150
that but I'm glad do you see that

1010
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:05,460
sometimes what are called optimizations

1011
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:07,050
don't work what he's talking about right

1012
00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:10,530
and displays is that almost every Apple

1013
00:43:16,310 --> 00:43:13,140
product out there right now there Macs

1014
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:16,320
are all using retina or higher displays

1015
00:43:23,420 --> 00:43:19,410
retina being that a normal viewing

1016
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:23,430
distance the pixels are so small because

1017
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:25,170
there's so many of them you cannot see

1018
00:43:30,740 --> 00:43:28,290
the individual dots they make up it's

1019
00:43:32,420 --> 00:43:30,750
everything is pristine and clear

1020
00:43:34,010 --> 00:43:32,430
and that's what Retton is all about and

1021
00:43:36,740 --> 00:43:34,020
a lot of times you have to optimize your

1022
00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:36,750
site to look best in retina especially

1023
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:39,420
when you have a 5k display which is much

1024
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:41,610
more than Retina it's it's for

1025
00:43:46,460 --> 00:43:43,890
moviemaking and we won't get into that

1026
00:43:48,260 --> 00:43:46,470
anyway I'm glad to see all the

1027
00:43:49,910 --> 00:43:48,270
interesting speakers obviously there are

1028
00:43:50,990 --> 00:43:49,920
a few there I might disagree with but I

1029
00:43:53,030 --> 00:43:51,000
think it's a really good selection

1030
00:43:56,290 --> 00:43:53,040
you're not trying to convince people of

1031
00:43:59,870 --> 00:43:56,300
secret space programs yeah there is it

1032
00:44:03,500 --> 00:43:59,880
honestly and I surprisingly haven't been

1033
00:44:05,150 --> 00:44:03,510
given any gruff for this but and I could

1034
00:44:08,750 --> 00:44:05,160
understand if people work because I was

1035
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:08,760
vocal about my concern for the you know

1036
00:44:14,060 --> 00:44:10,650
MUFON symposium and how they took this

1037
00:44:16,700 --> 00:44:14,070
this angle but we do have someone who's

1038
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:16,710
going to be talking somewhat about that

1039
00:44:21,500 --> 00:44:19,770
but at least this person is credible and

1040
00:44:24,020 --> 00:44:21,510
is not someone who's making some

1041
00:44:26,450 --> 00:44:24,030
bombastic claims that cannot be backed

1042
00:44:27,890 --> 00:44:26,460
up nor unfortunately I feel some of

1043
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:27,900
those people in the in this arena are

1044
00:44:32,810 --> 00:44:29,970
just complete charlatans making stuff up

1045
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:32,820
to make money but this gentleman's TL

1046
00:44:37,490 --> 00:44:35,850
Keller really interesting guy he's been

1047
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:37,500
an engineer working in the space

1048
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:40,410
programs his entire life now I don't put

1049
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:42,570
as much weight into these quotes as

1050
00:44:47,450 --> 00:44:45,690
others do but he's one of the guys who

1051
00:44:50,810 --> 00:44:47,460
you guys will remember his name in it

1052
00:44:53,090 --> 00:44:50,820
it's eluding me right now but had been

1053
00:44:54,020 --> 00:44:53,100
there when skunkworks Lockheed

1054
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:54,030
skunkworks

1055
00:44:59,870 --> 00:44:56,970
engineer had said like we could take a

1056
00:45:02,090 --> 00:44:59,880
team back at you whoreson yeah but Jan

1057
00:45:03,410 --> 00:45:02,100
was there because tio and Jan are really

1058
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:03,420
good friends and they have been for

1059
00:45:09,230 --> 00:45:06,000
years but it was the Lockheed guy that

1060
00:45:11,990 --> 00:45:09,240
who had said these things been rich been

1061
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:12,000
rich exactly so tio was with Jan when

1062
00:45:16,250 --> 00:45:14,490
all that happened but tio is a guy who

1063
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,260
brought Jam because tal is the guy who

1064
00:45:21,110 --> 00:45:18,720
worked for Jet Propulsion laboratories

1065
00:45:23,690 --> 00:45:21,120
and all of these places but he's gonna

1066
00:45:26,990 --> 00:45:23,700
explore this idea of if that would even

1067
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:27,000
be possible and and these large craft

1068
00:45:32,990 --> 00:45:30,000
that people are seeing go over these

1069
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:33,000
sightings of these large cigar shaped

1070
00:45:39,740 --> 00:45:36,570
spacecraft and then speculate as to what

1071
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:39,750
they might be from someone who is very

1072
00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:42,210
knowledgeable about technology so I

1073
00:45:47,300 --> 00:45:44,280
think that that's going to be really

1074
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:47,310
interesting so Tia oh yeah I'm excited

1075
00:45:50,870 --> 00:45:49,410
to have him we've been trying to had

1076
00:45:52,970 --> 00:45:50,880
been trying to get for a while he wrote

1077
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:52,980
this book the total novices guide to

1078
00:45:57,560 --> 00:45:55,410
UFOs then he moved to Australia for a

1079
00:45:59,750 --> 00:45:57,570
few years but he's been back a little

1080
00:46:01,970 --> 00:45:59,760
bit here so yeah we're excited to have

1081
00:46:06,590 --> 00:46:01,980
TL that's the only one that touches on

1082
00:46:08,510 --> 00:46:06,600
that topic a bit and we don't not that

1083
00:46:11,390 --> 00:46:08,520
we mind if people touch on that but we

1084
00:46:16,220 --> 00:46:11,400
don't have the same for lack of a better

1085
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:16,230
term goofballs quotes you do what you

1086
00:46:24,590 --> 00:46:22,050
want to mention any names we want to get

1087
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:24,600
you into trouble here drop one name one

1088
00:46:30,530 --> 00:46:27,690
name come on now drop one name let me

1089
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:30,540
think of a name I'll drop a name but

1090
00:46:36,350 --> 00:46:32,850
it's not so much calling this person out

1091
00:46:39,260 --> 00:46:36,360
well a little bit but Gary McKinnon I

1092
00:46:42,830 --> 00:46:39,270
wrote a story on Gary McKinnon that was

1093
00:46:45,140 --> 00:46:42,840
about what Gary McKinnon really saw and

1094
00:46:47,810 --> 00:46:45,150
it's but it was a very controversial

1095
00:46:50,660 --> 00:46:47,820
story it's referenced quite a bit still

1096
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,670
because no one's put together what he

1097
00:46:56,270 --> 00:46:53,520
said happened you know using his words

1098
00:46:58,430 --> 00:46:56,280
in his interviews and instead people

1099
00:47:00,950 --> 00:46:58,440
create these grand conspiracies and

1100
00:47:03,170 --> 00:47:00,960
ideas about these little bits of piece

1101
00:47:05,630 --> 00:47:03,180
of information that they have which is

1102
00:47:08,570 --> 00:47:05,640
unfair it's not as big of a story as

1103
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:08,580
people say I mean the part of him going

1104
00:47:13,730 --> 00:47:10,770
to prison and then you know they wanted

1105
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:13,740
to extradite him and that whole battle

1106
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:16,050
that even Obama got involved with that

1107
00:47:20,330 --> 00:47:18,090
was a big deal that's a cool story I

1108
00:47:22,910 --> 00:47:20,340
mean Hillary and Obama both had to speak

1109
00:47:25,250 --> 00:47:22,920
on this topic but not about the UFO part

1110
00:47:28,130 --> 00:47:25,260
the UFO part he admits he was drunk and

1111
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:28,140
stoned when he was doing this stuff he

1112
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:30,810
didn't save anything didn't screenshot

1113
00:47:37,390 --> 00:47:34,530
anything so we're hearing what he thinks

1114
00:47:41,420 --> 00:47:37,400
he might have seen when he was drunk and

1115
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:41,430
stoned the veracity behind these claims

1116
00:47:45,770 --> 00:47:43,050
that aren't that exciting in the first

1117
00:47:47,660 --> 00:47:45,780
place aren't very strong I think that's

1118
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:47,670
an example that's that's maybe I was far

1119
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:49,650
but I yeah that's as far as I'll go I

1120
00:47:57,050 --> 00:47:54,170
did speak to Andrew basiago at MUFON and

1121
00:47:58,460 --> 00:47:57,060
surprisingly he obviously was aware of

1122
00:48:01,339 --> 00:47:58,470
my perspective

1123
00:48:03,230 --> 00:48:01,349
but he was willing to speak with me he

1124
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:03,240
said he agrees that he doesn't have any

1125
00:48:08,750 --> 00:48:05,520
proof but him and dr. Michael Salle are

1126
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:08,760
gonna get proof and I told them well

1127
00:48:14,720 --> 00:48:12,090
I'll pay attention at that point but up

1128
00:48:16,820 --> 00:48:14,730
until now and luckily he was very nice

1129
00:48:19,910 --> 00:48:16,830
about me being blunt but that says one

1130
00:48:23,630 --> 00:48:19,920
of two things it says that either it is

1131
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:23,640
a very orchestrated you know a gag that

1132
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:25,650
just BS that he's pulling and he wants

1133
00:48:29,690 --> 00:48:27,090
to hear from the other side so he can

1134
00:48:32,510 --> 00:48:29,700
you know make himself sound better or he

1135
00:48:35,300 --> 00:48:32,520
believes he really really believes what

1136
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,310
he's saying I'm not sure which it is I

1137
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:37,440
really don't buy any of it

1138
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:39,450
I don't believe Obama was on the moon I

1139
00:48:44,330 --> 00:48:41,970
don't think he grew up in some special

1140
00:48:46,310 --> 00:48:44,340
top-secret program with Obama so he

1141
00:48:49,130 --> 00:48:46,320
could go to Mars and they can fight

1142
00:48:51,620 --> 00:48:49,140
dinosaurs and all this other stuff that

1143
00:48:55,430 --> 00:48:51,630
he says he's being an interesting fellow

1144
00:48:59,900 --> 00:48:55,440
that's for sure yeah passaggio I think

1145
00:49:02,510 --> 00:48:59,910
it's how he pronounces his name why what

1146
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:02,520
yeah I was corrected by him how he

1147
00:49:08,349 --> 00:49:04,890
pronounces his name so I throw that out

1148
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:08,359
there rhymes with Chicago it's passagio

1149
00:49:13,460 --> 00:49:11,280
I'm right in the midst of working on a

1150
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:13,470
an article that's a critical examination

1151
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:17,010
of the so-called secret space program

1152
00:49:22,190 --> 00:49:18,960
what evidence we have to support that

1153
00:49:23,540 --> 00:49:22,200
contention and how all the people that

1154
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:23,550
have come out over the years and there

1155
00:49:29,540 --> 00:49:25,890
been quite a number of them not just

1156
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:29,550
recent folks like William Thompkins and

1157
00:49:34,220 --> 00:49:31,760
Corey Goode and these others but you

1158
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:34,230
know you go back into the 70s and 80s

1159
00:49:40,820 --> 00:49:37,609
and and there's there's a history of

1160
00:49:44,329 --> 00:49:40,830
talk about this particular subject in so

1161
00:49:45,859 --> 00:49:44,339
I'm I'm doing a fairly well it's it's

1162
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,869
gonna be a short article it's not gonna

1163
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:47,280
go too in depth because quite frankly

1164
00:49:51,410 --> 00:49:49,770
I'm not that interested in the subject I

1165
00:49:54,620 --> 00:49:51,420
think it's a lot of smoke and mirrors

1166
00:49:57,079 --> 00:49:54,630
but it's interesting to see how this

1167
00:50:00,349 --> 00:49:57,089
whole subject has evolved and how each

1168
00:50:02,329 --> 00:50:00,359
new player that comes along piggybacks

1169
00:50:05,780 --> 00:50:02,339
their information and fills in more and

1170
00:50:08,530 --> 00:50:05,790
more gaps in the the narrative that's

1171
00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:08,540
been established and and that to me

1172
00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:11,910
smacks of grandstanding

1173
00:50:17,900 --> 00:50:14,220
and well here's the other problem with

1174
00:50:19,490 --> 00:50:17,910
that whole end of things also and it

1175
00:50:21,529 --> 00:50:19,500
leads me to believe and and you know I'm

1176
00:50:23,720 --> 00:50:21,539
really into this Richard Doty this the

1177
00:50:25,250 --> 00:50:23,730
story this whole I've done a lot of work

1178
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:25,260
on that and I still work on it in fact

1179
00:50:30,260 --> 00:50:28,530
if we have time we might I got to talk

1180
00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:30,270
to Harrison Schmitt a bit about this so

1181
00:50:34,490 --> 00:50:32,730
we should talk about that I think you

1182
00:50:37,370 --> 00:50:34,500
guys will find it interesting but the

1183
00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:37,380
whole point is that it serves for people

1184
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:40,380
not to look into the real secret space

1185
00:50:44,720 --> 00:50:42,569
programs because there are we do know

1186
00:50:47,329 --> 00:50:44,730
that they've got this little shuttle

1187
00:50:50,299 --> 00:50:47,339
this unmanned vehicle that the Air Force

1188
00:50:52,339 --> 00:50:50,309
has been flying around it's been it's

1189
00:50:54,410 --> 00:50:52,349
been up for like a year doing stuff but

1190
00:50:57,380 --> 00:50:54,420
we don't know what's in the payload that

1191
00:50:59,480 --> 00:50:57,390
is interesting that is you have space

1192
00:51:01,520 --> 00:50:59,490
program but it doesn't have fleets of

1193
00:51:03,319 --> 00:51:01,530
bright huge mother ships and we don't

1194
00:51:08,180 --> 00:51:03,329
have bases on the Moon and Mars it that

1195
00:51:10,970 --> 00:51:08,190
I can I can the real secret space

1196
00:51:12,410 --> 00:51:10,980
program like you know this projects from

1197
00:51:15,650 --> 00:51:12,420
the Air Force and what they're up to

1198
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:15,660
I think that's fascinating so let's look

1199
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,690
at the real secret space program instead

1200
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:21,119
of the one that's in fantasy land with

1201
00:51:34,100 --> 00:51:26,250
alejandro jean and chris you're in the

1202
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1257
00:54:04,370 --> 00:54:00,040
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1258
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1259
00:54:16,590 --> 00:54:14,710
here's Jane Steinberg okay well let's

1260
00:54:17,460 --> 00:54:16,600
not jump the gun folks we have Alejandro

1261
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:17,470
Rojas

1262
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:20,130
we have Jean Steinberg and Chris O'Brien

1263
00:54:25,860 --> 00:54:22,240
we're doing

1264
00:54:29,270 --> 00:54:25,870
I guess it's partly a recap of 2017 the

1265
00:54:32,610 --> 00:54:29,280
issues but we have the fantasy land

1266
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:32,620
secret space program where we're working

1267
00:54:37,650 --> 00:54:35,290
with ET and we're using time machines

1268
00:54:39,660 --> 00:54:37,660
and all this other stuff and remote

1269
00:54:41,490 --> 00:54:39,670
viewing and all that and we have the

1270
00:54:44,460 --> 00:54:41,500
real one that we should really talk

1271
00:54:46,500 --> 00:54:44,470
about Alejandro yeah I mean and that's

1272
00:54:48,420 --> 00:54:46,510
what we don't have a lot of insight into

1273
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:48,430
like we talked about that Air Force

1274
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:50,890
shuttle that we've got pictures of you

1275
00:54:55,620 --> 00:54:53,410
can go look at it there's for a Space

1276
00:54:58,170 --> 00:54:55,630
Command shuttle but we don't know what

1277
00:55:01,320 --> 00:54:58,180
that thing is up to I think that would

1278
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:01,330
be really interesting and also the real

1279
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:03,970
projects behind what's going on with the

1280
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:05,890
space program for instance here's a

1281
00:55:09,030 --> 00:55:07,570
story I'm gonna give you guys what I

1282
00:55:11,580 --> 00:55:09,040
think is a scoop and I'm gonna write a

1283
00:55:13,530 --> 00:55:11,590
Huffington Post article on this we were

1284
00:55:16,050 --> 00:55:13,540
discussing this at Space Camp pose at

1285
00:55:18,150 --> 00:55:16,060
Space Camp last week in Alabama I was

1286
00:55:20,460 --> 00:55:18,160
invited by National Geographic Channel

1287
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:20,470
it was helped to give us some

1288
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:21,760
information about these two programs

1289
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:24,010
season two of Mars and then a new

1290
00:55:28,830 --> 00:55:25,930
program called one strange rock that's

1291
00:55:30,900 --> 00:55:28,840
coming out why did the president sign

1292
00:55:33,690 --> 00:55:30,910
something that said we're gonna go back

1293
00:55:35,370 --> 00:55:33,700
to the moon yesterday a lot of people

1294
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:35,380
have been speculating but here's what it

1295
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:35,890
is

1296
00:55:42,690 --> 00:55:40,210
it's because China and Russia have said

1297
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:42,700
they're gonna create these programs to

1298
00:55:48,300 --> 00:55:44,770
go to the moon and that that's their

1299
00:55:51,570 --> 00:55:48,310
focus the issue with that is is think of

1300
00:55:54,540 --> 00:55:51,580
our position then can we allow China and

1301
00:55:57,300 --> 00:55:54,550
Russia to get there first right now the

1302
00:55:59,970 --> 00:55:57,310
laws around governing that property who

1303
00:56:01,860 --> 00:55:59,980
owns that property the Moon are very

1304
00:56:05,100 --> 00:56:01,870
lacks who's gonna have the most

1305
00:56:06,570 --> 00:56:05,110
influence on who owns that property the

1306
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:06,580
first people there

1307
00:56:11,720 --> 00:56:08,970
we cannot allow China

1308
00:56:14,450 --> 00:56:11,730
Andrusha to get there before us we've

1309
00:56:17,420 --> 00:56:14,460
got to be in that game and that's what

1310
00:56:19,730 --> 00:56:17,430
that was about yesterday so when we were

1311
00:56:21,650 --> 00:56:19,740
in Alabama at Space Camp it just so

1312
00:56:23,900 --> 00:56:21,660
happened that they had a special event

1313
00:56:25,250 --> 00:56:23,910
at Marshall Space Center that we were

1314
00:56:27,620 --> 00:56:25,260
able to be a part of in a press

1315
00:56:29,570 --> 00:56:27,630
conference with Harrison Schmitt the

1316
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:29,580
special event was for the 45th

1317
00:56:34,730 --> 00:56:32,250
anniversary of Apollo 17 Harrison

1318
00:56:36,650 --> 00:56:34,740
Schmitt was one of the astronauts on

1319
00:56:38,540 --> 00:56:36,660
that ship but during the press

1320
00:56:40,820 --> 00:56:38,550
conference I asked him do you think that

1321
00:56:43,310 --> 00:56:40,830
you know China and Russia going to space

1322
00:56:45,490 --> 00:56:43,320
is going to reignite a new space race to

1323
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:45,500
get to the moon he said it already has

1324
00:56:53,180 --> 00:56:49,770
that press conference was just a couple

1325
00:56:55,670 --> 00:56:53,190
days before Trump signed this thing

1326
00:56:58,130 --> 00:56:55,680
yesterday and Harrison Schmitt was right

1327
00:57:00,109 --> 00:56:58,140
there with him you can see him right in

1328
00:57:03,080 --> 00:57:00,119
the front on the picture he was closest

1329
00:57:05,780 --> 00:57:03,090
right there on the desk very wait who's

1330
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:05,790
gonna pay for it gates bees those musk

1331
00:57:11,300 --> 00:57:09,210
and the Google guys and you know these

1332
00:57:12,589 --> 00:57:11,310
eight people that have as much money as

1333
00:57:14,839 --> 00:57:12,599
half the world I mean who's gonna who's

1334
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:14,849
gonna pay for it what that's another

1335
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:17,760
great question but when it comes to NASA

1336
00:57:22,190 --> 00:57:20,010
it's it's governed by politics and

1337
00:57:24,109 --> 00:57:22,200
politics you know is governed by

1338
00:57:28,010 --> 00:57:24,119
whatever's going on at the time as far

1339
00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:28,020
as for instance NASA director but when

1340
00:57:32,510 --> 00:57:29,700
it comes to the space program

1341
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:32,520
it began with that space race against

1342
00:57:38,329 --> 00:57:35,970
Russia it was a cold war thing once that

1343
00:57:40,339 --> 00:57:38,339
was over then we moved to the space

1344
00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:40,349
shuttle but the space shuttle was all

1345
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:43,849
largely funded by taking payloads

1346
00:57:48,530 --> 00:57:46,290
defense payloads into space

1347
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who's gonna fund it defense and that's

1348
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where it comes back to the whole space

1349
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program is there is and there has been

1350
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talk with Space Command and Air Force

1351
00:58:02,030 --> 00:57:58,109
and Navy about this whole moving the

1352
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campaign into the next frontier space

1353
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:06,030
Wars we need to weaponize space we have

1354
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to figure out how to do that first and

1355
00:58:11,810 --> 00:58:10,080
that's where that funding is going to

1356
00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:11,820
come from if there's a political will

1357
00:58:16,609 --> 00:58:14,460
and there is motivation for these

1358
00:58:19,130 --> 00:58:16,619
purposes then it'll happen and the

1359
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political will is going to come when

1360
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:21,300
we've got to beat Russia and China so

1361
00:58:24,620 --> 00:58:22,799
they can't own the moon

1362
00:58:26,779 --> 00:58:24,630
especially when defense is talking about

1363
00:58:29,809 --> 00:58:26,789
the moon is a good platform for

1364
00:58:31,339 --> 00:58:29,819
weaponizing space that's where the

1365
00:58:33,410 --> 00:58:31,349
funding is gonna come from that's where

1366
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:33,420
the whole push is coming from to Mars

1367
00:58:37,370 --> 00:58:34,650
and you know who's gonna be in the

1368
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middle of it there's only one guy that

1369
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has a habitat that he's working on and

1370
00:58:47,179 --> 00:58:43,769
has been working on the last few years

1371
00:58:49,579 --> 00:58:47,189
to put on the moon and he's Robert

1372
00:58:51,289 --> 00:58:49,589
Bigelow exactly and you know what he's

1373
00:58:53,539 --> 00:58:51,299
been getting closer and closer with NASA

1374
00:58:55,449 --> 00:58:53,549
he's been very secret about all of this

1375
00:58:58,309 --> 00:58:55,459
he wasn't happy when the 60 Minutes

1376
00:59:00,769 --> 00:58:58,319
program came out a few months ago that

1377
00:59:02,929 --> 00:59:00,779
had all of him talking about UFOs and

1378
00:59:06,109 --> 00:59:02,939
stuff because they had filmed that a

1379
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:06,119
year prior and his whole thing was you

1380
00:59:10,759 --> 00:59:08,400
know now he's even more tight-lipped and

1381
00:59:13,429 --> 00:59:10,769
careful because he's so tight with NASA

1382
00:59:16,279 --> 00:59:13,439
on this project right now at Huntsville

1383
00:59:18,620 --> 00:59:16,289
at Space Camp in the museum the US Space

1384
00:59:21,620 --> 00:59:18,630
and Rocket Museum their Bigelow had a

1385
00:59:23,929 --> 00:59:21,630
very large presence they had these large

1386
00:59:26,689 --> 00:59:23,939
examples of his habitats they had a

1387
00:59:28,489 --> 00:59:26,699
large example of his moon base he's the

1388
00:59:31,099 --> 00:59:28,499
only guy that if they said we need to go

1389
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:31,109
to the moon now he is the guy ahead of

1390
00:59:35,029 --> 00:59:32,880
the game and it's part of the problem

1391
00:59:37,459 --> 00:59:35,039
with this whole idea of going to Mars be

1392
00:59:40,009 --> 00:59:37,469
Zoe's musk they're gonna go to Mars the

1393
00:59:42,469 --> 00:59:40,019
NASA plans to go to Mars are are not

1394
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:42,479
complete they don't have everything

1395
00:59:46,759 --> 00:59:45,119
figured out it's not like you know

1396
00:59:48,890 --> 00:59:46,769
they're running as hard as these other

1397
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guys are towards it and what they hope

1398
00:59:55,219 --> 00:59:51,900
to do in 2035 is to have a person orbit

1399
00:59:57,559 --> 00:59:55,229
Mars Elon Musk hopes in the next few

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00:59:59,390 --> 00:59:57,569
years to have people on Mars even though

1401
01:00:01,549 --> 00:59:59,400
he hasn't built any habitats he doesn't

1402
01:00:03,380 --> 01:00:01,559
have planned for actually having people

1403
01:00:05,959 --> 01:00:03,390
stay there but that's what he says he's

1404
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:05,969
gonna do but Bigelow's ahead of the game

1405
01:00:08,749 --> 01:00:06,569
on this

1406
01:00:11,719 --> 01:00:08,759
I think his habitats gonna be a really

1407
01:00:14,029 --> 01:00:11,729
big deal in this whole moon mission and

1408
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refocus on the moon that's coming up and

1409
01:00:17,569 --> 01:00:15,599
and we'll see this be a bigger deal

1410
01:00:19,789 --> 01:00:17,579
especially because as China and Russia

1411
01:00:22,669 --> 01:00:19,799
seem to be more and more serious that

1412
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they really will be landing on Mars and

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01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:25,199
why not it's there for the taking you

1414
01:00:29,630 --> 01:00:26,640
know it's interesting here if private

1415
01:00:31,489 --> 01:00:29,640
industry got involved in the space

1416
01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:31,499
program before the politics took over

1417
01:00:37,099 --> 01:00:33,849
and after the moon mission

1418
01:00:40,890 --> 01:00:37,109
declined maybe we would have been where

1419
01:00:43,049 --> 01:00:40,900
2001 a Space Odyssey showed us being hmm

1420
01:00:45,089 --> 01:00:43,059
yeah exactly I mean that's the whole

1421
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point is that the motivations to get us

1422
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:47,739
there we had the technology von Braun

1423
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that's what he wanted to do he wanted to

1424
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go to Mars

1425
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even he wanted to have habitats on Mars

1426
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and the moon they developed the

1427
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technology to do it many many years ago

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but once we beat the Russians to the

1429
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moon you you just didn't have that

1430
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political will that wasn't that real

1431
01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:08,410
need beyond exploration and they

1432
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couldn't justify even the technologies

1433
01:01:14,939 --> 01:01:12,400
of course that NASA comes up with often

1434
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:14,949
do help many different industries but it

1435
01:01:21,569 --> 01:01:18,130
just did not justify the expenditures so

1436
01:01:24,269 --> 01:01:21,579
you need a major motivator we have one

1437
01:01:26,759 --> 01:01:24,279
now again yeah it ought to be

1438
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interesting I think space right now is

1439
01:01:30,779 --> 01:01:28,329
really interesting but the point is is

1440
01:01:33,180 --> 01:01:30,789
that defense wants to weaponize space

1441
01:01:35,009 --> 01:01:33,190
but what's the secret part of it how

1442
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they're gonna do that what they're gonna

1443
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do that with beyond satellites is it

1444
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laser satellites and wars taking out

1445
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other satellites possibly maybe that's

1446
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the secret war that's going on up there

1447
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we don't know and I think that's what's

1448
01:01:53,189 --> 01:01:50,229
really interesting but when people are

1449
01:01:55,650 --> 01:01:53,199
distracted by you know Obama and Mars

1450
01:01:58,380 --> 01:01:55,660
you know writing dinosaurs or whatever

1451
01:02:00,319 --> 01:01:58,390
then unfortunately all of this effort

1452
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from people who are interested is

1453
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deflected and looking elsewhere or just

1454
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embarrassed by the whole idea they're

1455
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just looking for the Martian Manhunter

1456
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that's all yeah well let's let's kind of

1457
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drill down on this a little bit if

1458
01:02:17,819 --> 01:02:16,630
you're saying that you know I don't want

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to go through a whole litany of names

1460
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but I will the quarry goods away in

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Tompkins man do basalt shows that Laura

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Eisenhower's blah-blah-blah-blah-blah

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going down the list basically what I'm

1464
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hearing from Yahoo and row is that

1465
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they're a distraction now mm-hmm

1466
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or they're sort of running interference

1467
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maybe or their subterfuge or their their

1468
01:02:45,329 --> 01:02:43,660
disinformation sleight of hand let's

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keep people looking this direction while

1470
01:02:52,319 --> 01:02:47,559
the real thing is really happening that

1471
01:02:54,299 --> 01:02:52,329
sort of thing if that's the case now how

1472
01:02:56,969 --> 01:02:54,309
do we drill down and who has been tasked

1473
01:03:00,749 --> 01:02:56,979
with doing this and then how do we

1474
01:03:02,449 --> 01:03:00,759
differentiate between the agenda which

1475
01:03:06,420 --> 01:03:02,459
could be for very specific

1476
01:03:08,579 --> 01:03:06,430
counterintelligence purposes and the

1477
01:03:11,429 --> 01:03:08,589
people that are just glomming onto it

1478
01:03:13,319 --> 01:03:11,439
and trying to make a buck I mean I have

1479
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my own opinions on that what are yours I

1480
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think that's a great question Richard

1481
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Doty started it that's what he said he

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did it for which to distract people from

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real projects he said he was he was told

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to release these stories about you know

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aliens and the Air Force knowing

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everything and having all of this

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technology we'll have more about Richard

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Doty mm-hmm

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had some correspondence lately with

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Richard Doty in connection with possibly

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the very near future

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gun-shy about that you figure here's a

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former officers guy who was involved in

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disinformation he'd sure have the

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courage to answer questions hard

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questions don't you think Alejandro no

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I'm not completely convinced he did this

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at the behest of the government I don't

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know that for sure

1608
01:08:53,230 --> 01:08:48,840
I think there was an individual whack

1609
01:08:57,410 --> 01:08:53,240
job or if he wasn't then he is now and

1610
01:08:59,990 --> 01:08:57,420
so now a lot of these ideas were or

1611
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:00,000
stories he's come up with are all his

1612
01:09:06,770 --> 01:09:03,930
own and he's never been good at sticking

1613
01:09:09,170 --> 01:09:06,780
to his own story and that's an

1614
01:09:11,590 --> 01:09:09,180
understatement but but we we I think we

1615
01:09:14,030 --> 01:09:11,600
all three can agree that he was

1616
01:09:16,730 --> 01:09:14,040
instrumental and was one of the primary

1617
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:16,740
people behind the establishment of the

1618
01:09:23,570 --> 01:09:21,120
Dulce base myth exactly it was the case

1619
01:09:27,410 --> 01:09:23,580
which there's no question at least in my

1620
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:27,420
mind and in the mind of people like Ron

1621
01:09:33,350 --> 01:09:30,330
Regehr who knew bennewitz before all

1622
01:09:36,290 --> 01:09:33,360
this stuff went down I should add and

1623
01:09:40,190 --> 01:09:36,300
also Gary's and Schmidt Harrison Schmitt

1624
01:09:43,130 --> 01:09:40,200
there's a litany of individuals who

1625
01:09:45,730 --> 01:09:43,140
watched you know the decline and fall of

1626
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:45,740
a very very brilliant man a scientist

1627
01:09:53,470 --> 01:09:50,730
and Dodi was you know right there with

1628
01:09:58,670 --> 01:09:53,480
the office of Air Force intelligence

1629
01:10:02,540 --> 01:09:58,680
AFOs I if you will and he was right

1630
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:02,550
there and he was involved in creating

1631
01:10:08,990 --> 01:10:06,000
and promoting the myth of an alien base

1632
01:10:13,129 --> 01:10:09,000
underneath Neath the arch Archuleta Mesa

1633
01:10:17,780 --> 01:10:13,139
up you know exactly I mean over over the

1634
01:10:18,770 --> 01:10:17,790
Hickory Apache town of Dulce mm-hmm so

1635
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:18,780
is that what your time up with other

1636
01:10:25,250 --> 01:10:22,290
myths of course Olinda how serpo serpo

1637
01:10:26,959 --> 01:10:25,260
well he always has said though I'm I'm

1638
01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:26,969
not involved with serpo both him and Bob

1639
01:10:32,930 --> 01:10:29,570
Collins have been saying a lot of things

1640
01:10:34,459 --> 01:10:32,940
well but I think that you know I think

1641
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:34,469
there's been sufficient evidence to show

1642
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:38,159
that he was behind serpo I mean they

1643
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:42,960
tracked his IP and I think that you know

1644
01:10:47,330 --> 01:10:44,610
Robert Hastings too has done a great job

1645
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:47,340
outlining the evidence that shows Doty

1646
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:52,650
was behind serpo well we couldn't throw

1647
01:10:56,569 --> 01:10:54,480
out some other names out there Len Cass

1648
01:10:59,629 --> 01:10:56,579
and of course we wrote the book yeah

1649
01:11:02,780 --> 01:10:59,639
Robert Collins and Victor Martinez a

1650
01:11:05,240 --> 01:11:02,790
name that not many people know but any

1651
01:11:06,919 --> 01:11:05,250
inside baseball type folks who know

1652
01:11:10,510 --> 01:11:06,929
Victor very well if you've ever been on

1653
01:11:13,370 --> 01:11:10,520
his email list the strongest researchers

1654
01:11:16,100 --> 01:11:13,380
and of whom are the strongest at

1655
01:11:18,319 --> 01:11:16,110
researchers and and that's the problem Y

1656
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:18,329
dou T is not coming on your show you're

1657
01:11:24,049 --> 01:11:21,840
not believers the other people are

1658
01:11:26,030 --> 01:11:24,059
believers and they're not going to

1659
01:11:30,260 --> 01:11:26,040
challenge him and they're not as capable

1660
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:30,270
at challenging him as you do know that I

1661
01:11:33,649 --> 01:11:32,010
would carve that man a new one or at

1662
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:33,659
least attempt to if he ever came on the

1663
01:11:39,979 --> 01:11:38,159
show I think he is very well aware that

1664
01:11:44,089 --> 01:11:39,989
so I don't think he wants got quite a

1665
01:11:46,910 --> 01:11:44,099
dossier on that guy yeah I got all this

1666
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:46,920
two questions for him maybe we could

1667
01:11:52,510 --> 01:11:48,960
challenge him make him even more gun-shy

1668
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:52,520
Jean that's why I had you contact

1669
01:11:56,839 --> 01:11:54,719
because he knows about me

1670
01:11:59,870 --> 01:11:56,849
I haven't even attempted anyway because

1671
01:12:01,760 --> 01:11:59,880
he's lied I mean he just lies lies lies

1672
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:01,770
that's his method of doing things and

1673
01:12:07,100 --> 01:12:04,170
it's well documented his stories

1674
01:12:09,530 --> 01:12:07,110
changing constantly over the years so

1675
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:09,540
I've always felt why talk to someone who

1676
01:12:14,510 --> 01:12:12,090
just lies yeah what's the point it's

1677
01:12:15,890 --> 01:12:14,520
gonna feed me a bunch of BS anyway so

1678
01:12:17,930 --> 01:12:15,900
it's like believe in the

1679
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:17,940
US government when they disclose what

1680
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:21,570
they know about aliens and ETS and in

1681
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:24,570
ufos and all the other you know flotsam

1682
01:12:30,470 --> 01:12:26,130
and jetsam that goes with those subjects

1683
01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:30,480
lot soms Jetsons in the yeah and words

1684
01:12:35,510 --> 01:12:33,090
we can't say on commercial radio right

1685
01:12:37,700 --> 01:12:35,520
well anyway who how can you believe

1686
01:12:39,290 --> 01:12:37,710
somebody who's been lying you know in

1687
01:12:42,230 --> 01:12:39,300
the case of Dodi at least forty years

1688
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:42,240
exactly in case of the US government

1689
01:12:48,580 --> 01:12:47,250
double that so there you go folks there

1690
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:48,590
you have it

1691
01:12:55,700 --> 01:12:52,530
well you know I'll still try ya know

1692
01:13:03,620 --> 01:12:55,710
segment right now yeah yeah of course

1693
01:13:05,570 --> 01:13:03,630
were on the air MIT thing so here's what

1694
01:13:07,300 --> 01:13:05,580
I did cuz Harrison Schmitt who's the

1695
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:07,310
astronaut I've referred to earlier

1696
01:13:10,970 --> 01:13:10,320
became somewhat friendly with Paul

1697
01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:10,980
bennewitz

1698
01:13:15,980 --> 01:13:13,650
to who Dodi admits he drove him crazy

1699
01:13:18,860 --> 01:13:15,990
with it with all of his efforts to give

1700
01:13:20,330 --> 01:13:18,870
him all of this hoaxed information go

1701
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:20,340
into his house and move around as

1702
01:13:25,940 --> 01:13:23,250
furniture exactly oh man switch you know

1703
01:13:28,580 --> 01:13:25,950
switch cutlery and plates and stuff in

1704
01:13:30,770 --> 01:13:28,590
the cabinets that's that's cruel drove

1705
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:30,780
the guy crazy very cruel for which Dodi

1706
01:13:37,580 --> 01:13:33,930
is never to me seem to have a hint of

1707
01:13:41,900 --> 01:13:37,590
remorse for he's kind of like well sorry

1708
01:13:45,260 --> 01:13:41,910
that was my job and so Harrison Schmitt

1709
01:13:47,270 --> 01:13:45,270
on the behest of Paul bennewitz had gone

1710
01:13:49,490 --> 01:13:47,280
to the air force and I've got this

1711
01:13:50,780 --> 01:13:49,500
document that I did a FOIA and you can

1712
01:13:52,460 --> 01:13:50,790
go to open mind so you could see this

1713
01:13:55,190 --> 01:13:52,470
I've got a video out there on DoDEA on

1714
01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:55,200
all of this and Harrison Schmitt said

1715
01:13:59,120 --> 01:13:56,610
hey what's going on here why are you

1716
01:14:02,120 --> 01:13:59,130
telling you know Benowitz that there's

1717
01:14:05,090 --> 01:14:02,130
aliens and all this crazy stuff well who

1718
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:05,100
did they have answer Harrison Schmidt's

1719
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:08,810
questions Richard Doty what do you say

1720
01:14:13,670 --> 01:14:11,040
Richard Jodi said no we went to his

1721
01:14:15,590 --> 01:14:13,680
house we saw his material he thought he

1722
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:15,600
saw UFOs over Kirtland and got these

1723
01:14:20,780 --> 01:14:17,850
signals we didn't see it as being

1724
01:14:23,270 --> 01:14:20,790
anything that we felt was significant so

1725
01:14:25,850 --> 01:14:23,280
that was it we told him that sorry we

1726
01:14:26,840 --> 01:14:25,860
can't do anything with this and that was

1727
01:14:29,390 --> 01:14:26,850
the end of the story

1728
01:14:32,780 --> 01:14:29,400
yeah we're by health law

1729
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:32,790
he lied to harrison schmitt harrison

1730
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:35,610
schmitt at the time was a House of Reps

1731
01:14:42,410 --> 01:14:39,090
so he's a congressman for New Mexico

1732
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:42,420
another congressman did the same thing

1733
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:44,370
that bennewitz had gotten ahold of and

1734
01:14:49,220 --> 01:14:46,770
that was Peter domenica Peter de Medici

1735
01:14:51,500 --> 01:14:49,230
was a senator well he wasn't asked to

1736
01:14:53,990 --> 01:14:51,510
tell him but I gave him an answer

1737
01:14:57,140 --> 01:14:54,000
Dodie told him the same thing lied to

1738
01:14:59,990 --> 01:14:57,150
both of them so luckily the PR person at

1739
01:15:01,760 --> 01:15:00,000
at the Museum was a she gave me a minute

1740
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:01,770
and she printed up this open letter I

1741
01:15:06,350 --> 01:15:03,330
have to the air force regarding all of

1742
01:15:07,760 --> 01:15:06,360
this so I told him hey this was really

1743
01:15:10,280 --> 01:15:07,770
cool you guys would like this so I said

1744
01:15:12,500 --> 01:15:10,290
do you happen to remember Paul bennewitz

1745
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:12,510
you had spoken to Kirtland Air Force

1746
01:15:18,620 --> 01:15:15,570
Base at his behest over something and he

1747
01:15:20,570 --> 01:15:18,630
said he paused for a second and he said

1748
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:20,580
yeah yeah I remember which is cool that

1749
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:23,130
he remembers but the pause wasn't I

1750
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:25,920
didn't feel so much hmm Paul bennewitz

1751
01:15:30,410 --> 01:15:27,690
who is that the pause was more like

1752
01:15:31,220 --> 01:15:30,420
should I admit that I know this guy or

1753
01:15:32,510 --> 01:15:31,230
not

1754
01:15:34,820 --> 01:15:32,520
you know what else you should have asked

1755
01:15:37,250 --> 01:15:34,830
him about creating the only conference

1756
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:37,260
ever in history on the cattle mutilation

1757
01:15:41,750 --> 01:15:39,360
phenomenon exactly and that's where

1758
01:15:43,580 --> 01:15:41,760
Harrison Schmitt Matt bennewitz was

1759
01:15:45,649 --> 01:15:43,590
Harrison Schmitt yeah created a

1760
01:15:48,020 --> 01:15:45,659
conference to investigate cattle

1761
01:15:50,630 --> 01:15:48,030
mutilations FBI was involved State

1762
01:15:52,939 --> 01:15:50,640
Police all of these people were involved

1763
01:15:55,010 --> 01:15:52,949
I gave Valdez a state police guy yep

1764
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:55,020
David Perkins started out the

1765
01:15:59,390 --> 01:15:57,090
proceedings he was the first presenter

1766
01:16:02,270 --> 01:15:59,400
then Tom Adams and I could go down the

1767
01:16:03,740 --> 01:16:02,280
list as a result of that when he came up

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01:16:05,540 --> 01:16:03,750
for a reelection that was one of the

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things that his opponent used against

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01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:08,969
him in one let's take a break here guys

1771
01:16:13,370 --> 01:16:11,730
in them we got more to cover as we try

1772
01:16:15,890 --> 01:16:13,380
to figure out what's going on I also

1773
01:16:18,680 --> 01:16:15,900
want to ask alejandro in a few minutes

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01:16:25,100 --> 01:16:18,690
about what happened or what is happening

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01:16:27,530 --> 01:16:25,110
with Tom DeLonge and what he's left but

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let's take as much as we can more to

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01:16:34,740 --> 01:16:29,460
gram with Alejandro Jean and Chris

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Alejandro and Alejandro is probably

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gonna leave a little bit early in the

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episode but we're gonna tie him down for

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as long as we can

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gene gene and I have not sat down and

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said hey what's a short list to ambush

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Alejandro or not I didn't even know

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you're gonna be on the show tell before

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the show so I always love talking with

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you guys and you know you mentioned

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something earlier too that Chris you

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were like yeah I'll take on any hard

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question and that's I think the attitude

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and that's the attitude I love to you

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know when you do this for a while you

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want to tough questions sporran exactly

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so the hard questions are fun and you

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asked me a hard question just to that

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second ago gene gene hello gene wake up

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I got a phone call from somebody the

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phone number is correct but they think I

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was looking for a brand new luxury car

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yesterday in Scottsdale Arizona I said

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well if you're paying for it yeah I'm

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looking for one for 1015 dollars well

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they got this new iMac Pro from Apple

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out and consider what the cheapest car

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costs right now it starts at five

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thousand dollars and if you get fully

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equipped with an 18 core processor it's

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north of 13 thousand

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holy moly Wow fifty years ago you could

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have bought a house yeah that's crazy

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but you asked me a tough question and

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that was about Tom DeLonge yeah invest

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researcher of the year had opened mines

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last year in exchange you know and I

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remember hearing the quote I've read all

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the books

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dot-dot-dot so I know everything and I

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remember just oh I was just beside

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01:23:59,610 --> 01:23:56,710
myself with annoyance I'm trying to be

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kind he's the only one who read all the

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books that's why he got that away no I'm

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kidding

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I see him buy it personally and you know

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it's the tough question and I've taken

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it on and I'll take it on over and over

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01:24:14,130 --> 01:24:12,430
again and and the reason we he wouldn't

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have gotten that award if it wasn't for

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WikiLeaks if we wouldn't have known that

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01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:20,110
he brought together this great bunch of

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people to discuss the topic and and and

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and that somewhat has come to fruition

1965
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with the group that he put together to

1966
01:24:39,090 --> 01:24:37,120
the Stars Academy now but I think here's

1967
01:24:42,900 --> 01:24:39,100
the thing that you have to do and and I

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01:24:45,300 --> 01:24:42,910
don't do this to give him the benefit of

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01:24:47,220 --> 01:24:45,310
the doubt give him time not so much to

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01:24:49,980 --> 01:24:47,230
give him the benefit of the doubt

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01:24:51,750 --> 01:24:49,990
a what I like to say is what I think

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it's on the merits of what has already

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01:24:57,740 --> 01:24:54,910
been done I don't know that he really

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01:25:02,070 --> 01:24:57,750
has all the answers like he feels he has

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01:25:05,460 --> 01:25:02,080
and what he believes is it very very

1976
01:25:08,940 --> 01:25:05,470
different from what the beliefs are of

1977
01:25:10,140 --> 01:25:08,950
the people he put together jimsim a man

1978
01:25:13,380 --> 01:25:10,150
who worked for the CIA

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01:25:15,630 --> 01:25:13,390
Chris I can't remember as I say my work

1980
01:25:18,210 --> 01:25:15,640
for the CIA and and some of these other

1981
01:25:22,350 --> 01:25:18,220
guys who we've talked to by Gary Nolan

1982
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:22,360
who worked for Stanford these guys are

1983
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:24,610
much much more conservative I've talked

1984
01:25:30,330 --> 01:25:28,480
to them and they've said even Jim you

1985
01:25:33,060 --> 01:25:30,340
know these CIA guys they've said I

1986
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:33,070
didn't get any indication of any of

1987
01:25:38,010 --> 01:25:34,960
these things that he's talking about

1988
01:25:39,780 --> 01:25:38,020
when I was there I'm not so sure about

1989
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:39,790
some of those things like the major

1990
01:25:49,730 --> 01:25:43,330
battle and again you know that the air

1991
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:52,260
that but they're like you know this is a

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01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:54,010
real mystery and we believe in this

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01:25:58,950 --> 01:25:55,930
mystery and we want to discover more

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01:26:01,550 --> 01:25:58,960
about this mystery and along the lines

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01:26:04,650 --> 01:26:01,560
of like Steve justice who work for

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01:26:06,900 --> 01:26:04,660
Lockheed along the lines of big Lo and

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01:26:08,610 --> 01:26:06,910
move on and some other organizations

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01:26:11,550 --> 01:26:08,620
they want to see what technologies they

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01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:11,560
can glean from the phenomena to actually

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01:26:17,880 --> 01:26:15,130
build working devices to you know apply

2001
01:26:20,010 --> 01:26:17,890
them you know how should go back and

2002
01:26:21,870 --> 01:26:20,020
revisit ray Stanford I mean ray blew him

2003
01:26:23,820 --> 01:26:21,880
away when he when he was there at the

2004
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:23,830
house and you know I mean these people

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01:26:29,730 --> 01:26:26,530
are there they're barking up the wrong

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01:26:31,980 --> 01:26:29,740
tree 'he's there they're not i don't

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01:26:35,220 --> 01:26:31,990
know i mean there's obviously part of

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01:26:36,450 --> 01:26:35,230
the group i don't think i disagree i

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01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:36,460
don't think they're barking up the wrong

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01:26:44,940 --> 01:26:41,530
tree whatsoever but there is a public

2011
01:26:48,420 --> 01:26:44,950
there is a public side of analysis

2012
01:26:50,370 --> 01:26:48,430
that's going on and you know you have to

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01:26:54,180 --> 01:26:50,380
drag people kicking and screaming to

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01:26:56,190 --> 01:26:54,190
somebody that is the most important

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01:26:56,610 --> 01:26:56,200
person in the entire field as far as i'm

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01:26:58,440 --> 01:26:56,620
concerned

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at least the public aspect of the field

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01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:01,350
and so you know i kind of question

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01:27:06,360 --> 01:27:03,970
anything that has too many index

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01:27:09,810 --> 01:27:06,370
intelligence or recently retired

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01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:09,820
intelligence agents and you know super

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01:27:14,820 --> 01:27:12,130
high classified uh you know aerospace

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01:27:17,550 --> 01:27:14,830
connections i mean come on it's it's

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01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:17,560
these people would not be going out

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01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:19,690
front unless there was a rationale they

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were being tasked they were given tacit

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approval and and promotion to go ahead

2028
01:27:30,440 --> 01:27:28,090
here's your perspective now you're right

2029
01:27:32,520 --> 01:27:30,450
about that the permission aspect to it

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01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:32,530
because they've admitted at least a

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01:27:37,500 --> 01:27:33,760
couple of these guys have admitted that

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01:27:40,260 --> 01:27:37,510
they do float this some of this by their

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01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:40,270
third guys because you know they they

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01:27:46,770 --> 01:27:44,410
come from a career for these agencies

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01:27:49,770 --> 01:27:46,780
and it's not so much also fearing

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01:27:50,850 --> 01:27:49,780
pensions its fearing discrediting or

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01:27:55,050 --> 01:27:50,860
making

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their own people look bad they they're

2039
01:28:04,229 --> 01:27:56,800
still loyal they're still friends with

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01:28:05,669 --> 01:28:04,239
those people who are still inside the

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01:28:10,500 --> 01:28:05,679
whole thing is compromised from the

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01:28:13,379 --> 01:28:10,510
get-go so who's hoping for some great

2043
01:28:15,390 --> 01:28:13,389
miracle of disclosure is deluding

2044
01:28:17,910 --> 01:28:15,400
themselves it's not gonna happen

2045
01:28:20,879 --> 01:28:17,920
and here's the thing is that the to the

2046
01:28:24,570 --> 01:28:20,889
stars Academy guys these these ex-cia

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01:28:27,959 --> 01:28:24,580
and and lucky and such they're not

2048
01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:27,969
promising disclosure Thomas but they're

2049
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:30,250
not and that's that's my point is what

2050
01:28:35,550 --> 01:28:32,650
tom is doing I agree with you 100% I

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01:28:38,910 --> 01:28:35,560
would be completely suspect of all of

2052
01:28:40,620 --> 01:28:38,920
that information that would come out my

2053
01:28:43,140 --> 01:28:40,630
opinion is that he's mentioning all this

2054
01:28:45,479 --> 01:28:43,150
buzzword stuff so that he can generate

2055
01:28:47,790 --> 01:28:45,489
almost three million dollars for his

2056
01:28:52,229 --> 01:28:47,800
freakin public startup money I mean

2057
01:28:53,850 --> 01:28:52,239
let's get rid of your that and that's

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01:28:56,550 --> 01:28:53,860
where I think you're way off he doesn't

2059
01:28:58,290 --> 01:28:56,560
need three million dollars that three

2060
01:29:00,629 --> 01:28:58,300
million dollars is not even going to

2061
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:00,639
himming it goes to this corporation this

2062
01:29:03,780 --> 01:29:02,530
group that's put together here's what

2063
01:29:06,300 --> 01:29:03,790
they're doing and here's what I'm

2064
01:29:08,729 --> 01:29:06,310
getting to it here's the mindset of what

2065
01:29:11,250 --> 01:29:08,739
they say that they feel they're doing

2066
01:29:14,399 --> 01:29:11,260
this and more of the spirit of SpaceX

2067
01:29:16,410 --> 01:29:14,409
they see an example that there's kind of

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01:29:19,169 --> 01:29:16,420
taboo technologies out there that

2069
01:29:21,870 --> 01:29:19,179
nobody's touching and there's not

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01:29:24,300 --> 01:29:21,880
government funding in it or and you know

2071
01:29:27,330 --> 01:29:24,310
it seems too good to be true and too

2072
01:29:29,669 --> 01:29:27,340
wild but nobody's running for it for

2073
01:29:33,950 --> 01:29:29,679
example you know the electric cars or

2074
01:29:36,540 --> 01:29:33,960
the transit system that musk is or

2075
01:29:39,660 --> 01:29:36,550
space-like musk has done so they see

2076
01:29:40,709 --> 01:29:39,670
musk as a model he tackled these things

2077
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:40,719
he went for it

2078
01:29:45,180 --> 01:29:43,330
and he did the impossible and that's

2079
01:29:47,490 --> 01:29:45,190
what they feel they can do they feel

2080
01:29:49,620 --> 01:29:47,500
that well that's why Hal said she's out

2081
01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:49,630
there they feel if UFOs can fly around

2082
01:29:54,270 --> 01:29:52,690
using anti-gravity so can we so we

2083
01:29:57,270 --> 01:29:54,280
should be the first to develop that

2084
01:29:59,760 --> 01:29:57,280
technology and and that's what they're

2085
01:30:01,020 --> 01:29:59,770
doing that's what they want to do let me

2086
01:30:01,770 --> 01:30:01,030
just go over a couple of things here

2087
01:30:03,660 --> 01:30:01,780
alejandro

2088
01:30:06,150 --> 01:30:03,670
because I was looking at the site where

2089
01:30:09,300 --> 01:30:06,160
they're raising their money now the

2090
01:30:10,620 --> 01:30:09,310
amount raised has kind of stalled it's

2091
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:10,630
still a little bit over two million

2092
01:30:15,180 --> 01:30:12,970
dollars two million ninety-four thousand

2093
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:15,190
fifty three dollars that's not changed

2094
01:30:19,590 --> 01:30:17,890
in several weeks they've had two hundred

2095
01:30:22,410 --> 01:30:19,600
two thousand one hundred twenty-eight

2096
01:30:24,630 --> 01:30:22,420
investors you have to invest $200 it's

2097
01:30:26,610 --> 01:30:24,640
not like you sent five bucks the minimum

2098
01:30:27,900 --> 01:30:26,620
is two hundred dollars first thing we'll

2099
01:30:29,790 --> 01:30:27,910
get into more of this in a moment with

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01:30:34,750 --> 01:30:29,800
Alejandro Jeanne and Chris you're in

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beginning but it stalled a little over

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two million dollars which is chump

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change for the kind of technology

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they're talking about now sure the other

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thing about it is if you look online as

2213
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to what someone who was in a successful

2214
01:35:35,550 --> 01:35:31,929
rock band is worth well apparently Tom

2215
01:35:37,740 --> 01:35:35,560
DeLonge is allegedly worth 60 million

2216
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:37,750
dollars roughly of course it's hard to

2217
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:40,570
estimate you might gauge this on what

2218
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the band received in terms of possible

2219
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record royalties recording royalties

2220
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what they might have received in terms

2221
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of concerts and stuff like that sixteen

2222
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:51,880
million dollars of course is chump

2223
01:35:56,669 --> 01:35:54,370
change if you're Paul McCartney you know

2224
01:35:58,680 --> 01:35:56,679
who's worth what several billion now but

2225
01:36:01,620 --> 01:35:58,690
or even Ringo Starr's worth several

2226
01:36:04,290 --> 01:36:01,630
million just a billion I'll poor guy I

2227
01:36:06,090 --> 01:36:04,300
mean I just feel so sorry for Paul Ringo

2228
01:36:08,669 --> 01:36:06,100
is only worth a few hundred million so I

2229
01:36:10,890 --> 01:36:08,679
really feel sorry for him if Tod belong

2230
01:36:14,010 --> 01:36:10,900
is worth 60 million and he can be

2231
01:36:17,280 --> 01:36:14,020
reasonably liquid at that or isn't

2232
01:36:18,750 --> 01:36:17,290
living a really crazy lifestyle he

2233
01:36:21,870 --> 01:36:18,760
possibly could have put more funding

2234
01:36:23,430 --> 01:36:21,880
into it I don't know I just think it had

2235
01:36:25,740 --> 01:36:23,440
a little bit of publicity a little round

2236
01:36:28,140 --> 01:36:25,750
of publicity when it went live we had

2237
01:36:29,970 --> 01:36:28,150
the article from Leslie Kane on The

2238
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Huffington Post and I've asked her a

2239
01:36:33,479 --> 01:36:31,300
couple of times to come on the show and

2240
01:36:36,990 --> 01:36:33,489
she hasn't had time yet I'd like to talk

2241
01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:37,000
to her about it but as of now it seems

2242
01:36:41,580 --> 01:36:39,520
so stalled out yeah I would agree I mean

2243
01:36:44,490 --> 01:36:41,590
I haven't talked to any of the guys in

2244
01:36:46,169 --> 01:36:44,500
the last few weeks so I don't know what

2245
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:46,179
the status is where they're at now

2246
01:36:51,419 --> 01:36:49,690
however this is the big takeaway I feel

2247
01:36:53,820 --> 01:36:51,429
that the exciting takeaway from this is

2248
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:53,830
that these guys that I have

2249
01:36:58,650 --> 01:36:56,290
- who are now out about their UFO

2250
01:37:02,240 --> 01:36:58,660
interests are not going back into the

2251
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:02,250
closet they intend to stay there already

2252
01:37:08,760 --> 01:37:06,370
interacting with organizations you know

2253
01:37:11,790 --> 01:37:08,770
I work with these guys with the SCU the

2254
01:37:14,280 --> 01:37:11,800
society or the the Coalition for science

2255
01:37:16,140 --> 01:37:14,290
and ufology and they're working with

2256
01:37:18,450 --> 01:37:16,150
them these guys are going to continue to

2257
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:18,460
help out this field and I think there

2258
01:37:22,530 --> 01:37:20,290
can there their knowledge and their

2259
01:37:24,540 --> 01:37:22,540
experience is going to be a lot of help

2260
01:37:26,670 --> 01:37:24,550
and I'm not sure if they're gonna meet

2261
01:37:29,220 --> 01:37:26,680
their goals their goals are very lofty

2262
01:37:31,500 --> 01:37:29,230
it's kind of pie in the size stuff I

2263
01:37:33,780 --> 01:37:31,510
very skeptical that Tom DeLonge it's

2264
01:37:36,060 --> 01:37:33,790
gonna you know reveal any major secrets

2265
01:37:39,180 --> 01:37:36,070
that are gonna give us an understanding

2266
01:37:41,880 --> 01:37:39,190
of what's going on so I mean I'm always

2267
01:37:44,070 --> 01:37:41,890
skeptical of most things in it still but

2268
01:37:45,570 --> 01:37:44,080
that is very cool that's a very cool

2269
01:37:48,390 --> 01:37:45,580
pick take away these guys are great

2270
01:37:51,030 --> 01:37:48,400
you're gonna have them on your show at

2271
01:37:52,800 --> 01:37:51,040
some point maybe it'll be the next six

2272
01:37:54,210 --> 01:37:52,810
months maybe it'll be a year maybe it'll

2273
01:37:55,620 --> 01:37:54,220
be another year after that but you're

2274
01:37:58,230 --> 01:37:55,630
gonna love these guys and you're gonna

2275
01:38:00,780 --> 01:37:58,240
be really happy that these guys got into

2276
01:38:02,610 --> 01:38:00,790
this field so I think that some of that

2277
01:38:05,490 --> 01:38:02,620
positive that's gonna come from all of

2278
01:38:08,010 --> 01:38:05,500
this you all will experience as well and

2279
01:38:09,810 --> 01:38:08,020
so that's what I'm excited about as for

2280
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:09,820
whether everything else will work out I

2281
01:38:13,860 --> 01:38:12,010
don't know I hope so but I hope Tom

2282
01:38:16,440 --> 01:38:13,870
scenario of what's going on is not the

2283
01:38:18,750 --> 01:38:16,450
case but because it's a pretty dark one

2284
01:38:20,820 --> 01:38:18,760
he's not the best representative for the

2285
01:38:23,550 --> 01:38:20,830
company he's not really outlining what

2286
01:38:25,620 --> 01:38:23,560
their goals and missions are well he's

2287
01:38:29,160 --> 01:38:25,630
speaking towards what his interests are

2288
01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:29,170
and and so they've had some some issues

2289
01:38:34,710 --> 01:38:32,080
with all of that no doubt yeah it's

2290
01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:34,720
another you know I think they're at

2291
01:38:41,670 --> 01:38:37,930
their silver lining there that will

2292
01:38:44,220 --> 01:38:41,680
benefit from but I do have to run you've

2293
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:44,230
never thought then Alejandro about

2294
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:46,690
having Tom DeLonge speak of the

2295
01:38:51,480 --> 01:38:49,600
International UFO Congress well of

2296
01:38:55,380 --> 01:38:51,490
course we have I would love to have him

2297
01:38:59,370 --> 01:38:55,390
do that actually but he has not

2298
01:39:03,380 --> 01:38:59,380
committed the possibility even exists

2299
01:39:05,190 --> 01:39:03,390
now that he'll be there he he really

2300
01:39:07,799 --> 01:39:05,200
wants to have some sort of

2301
01:39:11,489 --> 01:39:07,809
representation and share something but

2302
01:39:14,639 --> 01:39:11,499
he has not come up with what that will

2303
01:39:17,699 --> 01:39:14,649
be so I'm an invitation to be on our

2304
01:39:19,949 --> 01:39:17,709
show have you all done that

2305
01:39:22,169 --> 01:39:19,959
no I've I have no way of getting in

2306
01:39:24,959 --> 01:39:22,179
touch with him well you did I mean I

2307
01:39:28,770 --> 01:39:24,969
probably could I haven't even had him on

2308
01:39:31,199 --> 01:39:28,780
my show and here's why it's and you know

2309
01:39:34,919 --> 01:39:31,209
I always he listens to a lot of these

2310
01:39:37,649 --> 01:39:34,929
shows and I I know he's he's even

2311
01:39:41,129 --> 01:39:37,659
mentioned that he he understands why I

2312
01:39:43,049 --> 01:39:41,139
say this but I don't I don't want to

2313
01:39:45,599 --> 01:39:43,059
hear more speculation we hear wild

2314
01:39:48,899 --> 01:39:45,609
speculation all the time you know what

2315
01:39:51,209 --> 01:39:48,909
and one other person to wild speculation

2316
01:39:53,969 --> 01:39:51,219
even if it is a rock star is just

2317
01:39:56,369 --> 01:39:53,979
another person's wild speculation so I

2318
01:39:58,829 --> 01:39:56,379
don't feel like you know I can even

2319
01:40:00,629 --> 01:39:58,839
offer if he came on my show then more

2320
01:40:04,229 --> 01:40:00,639
than he gave to coast to coast or

2321
01:40:06,329 --> 01:40:04,239
whoever so that's why I haven't even had

2322
01:40:07,649 --> 01:40:06,339
it much I haven't had it on my show I he

2323
01:40:09,719 --> 01:40:07,659
hasn't said he's disappointed in that

2324
01:40:12,629 --> 01:40:09,729
but I think he has expressed that he

2325
01:40:18,419 --> 01:40:12,639
thinks he understands why because I've

2326
01:40:20,759 --> 01:40:18,429
expressed this before so but it would be

2327
01:40:24,149 --> 01:40:20,769
possible I think he might be interested

2328
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:24,159
in in doing that and he might even want

2329
01:40:28,649 --> 01:40:27,010
to answer some of the hard questions and

2330
01:40:31,889 --> 01:40:28,659
be challenged a little bit he's not

2331
01:40:36,270 --> 01:40:31,899
afraid of that it doesn't seem I don't

2332
01:40:38,489 --> 01:40:36,280
think he's read all the books well he

2333
01:40:40,109 --> 01:40:38,499
you know that was a slight I think he

2334
01:40:41,609 --> 01:40:40,119
didn't mean it to sound like the way

2335
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:41,619
that it did I think he meant to say that

2336
01:40:45,779 --> 01:40:43,449
I've read a lot of the books I've read

2337
01:40:49,049 --> 01:40:45,789
you know the big books I think that's

2338
01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:49,059
what he meant to say but he is a really

2339
01:40:54,059 --> 01:40:51,129
cool guy I think that it would be good

2340
01:40:57,029 --> 01:40:54,069
for him to do stuff like that because he

2341
01:40:59,099 --> 01:40:57,039
is just a cool guy I mean you guys have

2342
01:41:01,500 --> 01:40:59,109
met like Danny he reminds me of Danny at

2343
01:41:04,349 --> 01:41:01,510
our conferences this guy who's kind of a

2344
01:41:06,349 --> 01:41:04,359
local Phoenix rock story you know people

2345
01:41:10,439 --> 01:41:06,359
know him here he's a real character

2346
01:41:12,329 --> 01:41:10,449
funny guy really but his thoughts are

2347
01:41:14,639 --> 01:41:12,339
along the same line that's Tom DeLonge

2348
01:41:17,279 --> 01:41:14,649
sand so his views are really out there

2349
01:41:20,669 --> 01:41:17,289
and he's just an energetic dude but tom

2350
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:20,679
is a really nice guy he's hearts in the

2351
01:41:24,970 --> 01:41:21,770
right place

2352
01:41:26,470 --> 01:41:24,980
really cool guy and I think anybody

2353
01:41:28,330 --> 01:41:26,480
who's really gotten to know him feels

2354
01:41:31,150 --> 01:41:28,340
that way and even though he has all

2355
01:41:33,580 --> 01:41:31,160
these crazy wild ideas it's because he

2356
01:41:35,440 --> 01:41:33,590
is such a cool guy that you know all of

2357
01:41:39,010 --> 01:41:35,450
these people have decided to work with

2358
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:39,020
him and so I I think it could be

2359
01:41:44,020 --> 01:41:40,730
positive for him to do that so I

2360
01:41:46,230 --> 01:41:44,030
definitely you know we we promise we'll

2361
01:41:49,300 --> 01:41:46,240
use lubrication we won't we won't be too

2362
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:49,310
too hard on him I mean I I just I'd love

2363
01:41:55,060 --> 01:41:52,400
to to give him a chance to you know kind

2364
01:41:57,160 --> 01:41:55,070
of Cheerilee the the whole project a

2365
01:41:59,190 --> 01:41:57,170
little bit and then give us a chance to

2366
01:42:02,620 --> 01:41:59,200
you know ask some probing questions

2367
01:42:05,830 --> 01:42:02,630
mm-hmm yeah I'm thinking the end of the

2368
01:42:08,110 --> 01:42:05,840
day it's really really got to help him

2369
01:42:10,060 --> 01:42:08,120
I mean if he thinks that he's got

2370
01:42:12,580 --> 01:42:10,070
something on the ball here and isn't

2371
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:12,590
just buying a lot of wacky theories yeah

2372
01:42:17,200 --> 01:42:15,290
isn't reading the books I would think

2373
01:42:18,700 --> 01:42:17,210
he'd be able to appear in a setting like

2374
01:42:21,730 --> 01:42:18,710
this I mean he's a rich man he's a

2375
01:42:24,780 --> 01:42:21,740
successful man what does he have to lose

2376
01:42:27,370 --> 01:42:24,790
even if he doesn't come across so well

2377
01:42:28,360 --> 01:42:27,380
and I think he kind of would I mean

2378
01:42:33,340 --> 01:42:28,370
there's a lot of people that believe

2379
01:42:35,500 --> 01:42:33,350
along the lines he does and yet so I

2380
01:42:37,330 --> 01:42:35,510
think in a way especially when it comes

2381
01:42:40,300 --> 01:42:37,340
to his personality he would come across

2382
01:42:43,240 --> 01:42:40,310
really well and I think what he's done

2383
01:42:45,550 --> 01:42:43,250
is pretty cool I mean if you guys had

2384
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:45,560
his access and that's what I kind of

2385
01:42:51,190 --> 01:42:48,170
think if I had his access I would do

2386
01:42:53,290 --> 01:42:51,200
what he did I would be engaging all of

2387
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:53,300
these agencies and these people in the

2388
01:42:57,340 --> 01:42:55,010
know skunkworks

2389
01:42:59,770 --> 01:42:57,350
I would it be engaging those people to

2390
01:43:01,540 --> 01:42:59,780
figure out what they know and connecting

2391
01:43:04,090 --> 01:43:01,550
all of those people and I think that's

2392
01:43:05,950 --> 01:43:04,100
what's really cool he didn't have to do

2393
01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:05,960
that he could have just come out and

2394
01:43:10,300 --> 01:43:08,570
talked all of this crazy stuff or done

2395
01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:10,310
like other movie stars and celebrities

2396
01:43:14,770 --> 01:43:13,370
do and I personally always appreciate

2397
01:43:17,260 --> 01:43:14,780
when they have an interest in the field

2398
01:43:19,960 --> 01:43:17,270
but he did more than that he actively

2399
01:43:21,610 --> 01:43:19,970
sought and it hasn't opened positive for

2400
01:43:24,100 --> 01:43:21,620
him I mean he gets a lot of negative

2401
01:43:26,710 --> 01:43:24,110
media for leaving Lincoln 182 for UFOs

2402
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:26,720
and so he has put himself out there and

2403
01:43:32,410 --> 01:43:28,610
I personally appreciate that

2404
01:43:35,169 --> 01:43:32,420
we were so cruel to other people in this

2405
01:43:38,500 --> 01:43:35,179
field often Bigelow had that as

2406
01:43:40,629 --> 01:43:38,510
with all the conspiracies and and just

2407
01:43:43,060 --> 01:43:40,639
negativity towards what he was trying to

2408
01:43:46,029 --> 01:43:43,070
do when he was trying to explore these

2409
01:43:48,479 --> 01:43:46,039
topics and so I appreciate his

2410
01:43:52,149 --> 01:43:48,489
involvement and much of what he's done

2411
01:43:53,709 --> 01:43:52,159
and so I am a fan of Thomson that way

2412
01:43:56,319 --> 01:43:53,719
he's a he's a really cool guy

2413
01:44:00,100 --> 01:43:56,329
well as I said we're happy to talk to

2414
01:44:01,509 --> 01:44:00,110
him if he wants to talk to us but we're

2415
01:44:03,879 --> 01:44:01,519
not going to hold back in terms of

2416
01:44:05,919 --> 01:44:03,889
questions because we have around we're

2417
01:44:08,259 --> 01:44:05,929
not gonna insult the guy or anything but

2418
01:44:10,419 --> 01:44:08,269
you know at the same time I've got a lot

2419
01:44:12,310 --> 01:44:10,429
of questions I'd like to have and

2420
01:44:16,629 --> 01:44:12,320
everyone deserves to be challenged a bit

2421
01:44:20,620 --> 01:44:16,639
and a nice way we can and we can put on

2422
01:44:25,209 --> 01:44:20,630
our bedside manner you know face and and

2423
01:44:27,489 --> 01:44:25,219
and you know you had one Chris huh I

2424
01:44:30,540 --> 01:44:27,499
wasn't aware you had a bedside manner oh

2425
01:44:32,679 --> 01:44:30,550
yeah oh yeah I do

2426
01:44:33,910 --> 01:44:32,689
Alejandro unfortunately you have to

2427
01:44:36,729 --> 01:44:33,920
leave us where could we get in touch

2428
01:44:41,429 --> 01:44:36,739
with you UFO congress.com

2429
01:44:46,949 --> 01:44:41,439
and open mindset TV okay and we will be

2430
01:44:50,020 --> 01:44:46,959
bugging him over at the Congress to

2431
01:44:54,549 --> 01:44:50,030
guess the guest that we need for the

2432
01:44:57,009 --> 01:44:54,559
show from the people there extend an

2433
01:44:59,379 --> 01:44:57,019
invitation for anybody that's gonna be

2434
01:45:02,739 --> 01:44:59,389
there to you know all your speakers that

2435
01:45:04,569 --> 01:45:02,749
we'd love to give a chance to give us a

2436
01:45:06,370 --> 01:45:04,579
little preview of the material that they

2437
01:45:08,410 --> 01:45:06,380
will be covering right and we look

2438
01:45:09,969 --> 01:45:08,420
forward to it okay I'll work on that and

2439
01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:09,979
thank you guys so much it's always a

2440
01:45:15,609 --> 01:45:12,170
huge pleasure you know I'm a fan of you

2441
01:45:20,390 --> 01:45:15,619
guys thanks again for having me you're

2442
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[Applause]

2495
01:47:53,910 --> 01:47:49,580
welcome back to the para cast the gold

2496
01:48:02,260 --> 01:47:53,920
standard of paranormal radio and now

2497
01:48:04,210 --> 01:48:02,270
here's Jane Steinberg so we did not

2498
01:48:08,050 --> 01:48:04,220
scare Alejandro Rojas

2499
01:48:09,700 --> 01:48:08,060
out of the room no no it's not our job

2500
01:48:11,230 --> 01:48:09,710
to scare him out of the room we want to

2501
01:48:13,450 --> 01:48:11,240
scare him back in the room if anything

2502
01:48:17,770 --> 01:48:13,460
he's also my friend we've had lunch

2503
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:17,780
she's a I really like Alejandro a lot

2504
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:21,650
he's one of those really good guys

2505
01:48:25,870 --> 01:48:23,690
that's in the field that that really you

2506
01:48:27,910 --> 01:48:25,880
know doesn't have you no ill-will

2507
01:48:30,430 --> 01:48:27,920
towards anybody and he's very accepting

2508
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:30,440
of everybody's you know theories and

2509
01:48:35,770 --> 01:48:34,010
everybody's subjective sort of biases

2510
01:48:37,090 --> 01:48:35,780
and all the rest of it he's you know and

2511
01:48:39,990 --> 01:48:37,100
he thinks that everybody should have a

2512
01:48:44,710 --> 01:48:40,000
an opportunity to voice their particular

2513
01:48:46,210 --> 01:48:44,720
opinions and you know I really like that

2514
01:48:48,790 --> 01:48:46,220
and I appreciate that of him he's one of

2515
01:48:51,370 --> 01:48:48,800
the generally genuinely good guys in the

2516
01:48:55,300 --> 01:48:51,380
field and he's so sweetheart so I mean

2517
01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:55,310
what more could you ask for and after

2518
01:48:59,410 --> 01:48:57,770
all you know if he wants to look through

2519
01:49:01,690 --> 01:48:59,420
some of this with rose-colored glasses

2520
01:49:03,850 --> 01:49:01,700
which I think he's doing with too long

2521
01:49:06,730 --> 01:49:03,860
that's fine we've never talked to the

2522
01:49:08,260 --> 01:49:06,740
man he has so I mean he does have a bit

2523
01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:08,270
of a leg up on this situation

2524
01:49:13,420 --> 01:49:10,850
he says he's a really nice guy and he

2525
01:49:15,310 --> 01:49:13,430
sees on the ball and stuff then you know

2526
01:49:17,650 --> 01:49:15,320
of coming from Alejandro I mean that's

2527
01:49:19,570 --> 01:49:17,660
you know that to me is means a lot

2528
01:49:22,540 --> 01:49:19,580
because I respect all the Hondo's

2529
01:49:24,430 --> 01:49:22,550
opinion he's he's no dummy I mean I

2530
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:24,440
remember when Alejandro first really

2531
01:49:29,530 --> 01:49:27,530
kind of arrived on the scene he reminded

2532
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:29,540
me so much of myself when I was first

2533
01:49:33,760 --> 01:49:31,010
getting involved in all these things I

2534
01:49:37,200 --> 01:49:33,770
was so excited and I was so front loaded

2535
01:49:39,700 --> 01:49:37,210
with all this you know et aliens are

2536
01:49:42,850 --> 01:49:39,710
behind everything and you know

2537
01:49:45,130 --> 01:49:42,860
Alejandro just had it was a bundle of

2538
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:45,140
enthusiasm and the more he got involved

2539
01:49:49,780 --> 01:49:47,690
in the field the more he read the books

2540
01:49:51,760 --> 01:49:49,790
the more he became familiar with the the

2541
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:51,770
researchers and investigators in the

2542
01:49:56,640 --> 01:49:53,930
history of this field you know the more

2543
01:49:59,130 --> 01:49:56,650
tempered he became and the more

2544
01:50:02,669 --> 01:49:59,140
shall we say the more circumspect and

2545
01:50:04,979 --> 01:50:02,679
and the more sort of critical really I

2546
01:50:08,580 --> 01:50:04,989
think his thinking has become and and I

2547
01:50:11,430 --> 01:50:08,590
really admire his process and the

2548
01:50:12,689 --> 01:50:11,440
development that he's at least shown to

2549
01:50:15,570 --> 01:50:12,699
me

2550
01:50:17,189 --> 01:50:15,580
as a person who you know had a deep

2551
01:50:18,630 --> 01:50:17,199
connection to my work because you know

2552
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:18,640
his family is from the San Luis Valley

2553
01:50:23,430 --> 01:50:21,370
so you know I mean we always had that in

2554
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:23,440
common and so you know I've been I've

2555
01:50:29,880 --> 01:50:26,290
been obviously taking a keen interest in

2556
01:50:32,149 --> 01:50:29,890
his his process over the years and um

2557
01:50:36,330 --> 01:50:32,159
you know he's one of those genuinely

2558
01:50:38,820 --> 01:50:36,340
nice guys in the field and what more can

2559
01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:38,830
I say I mean he's he's like Nick he's

2560
01:50:42,840 --> 01:50:40,690
like Richard Dolan there's there's some

2561
01:50:44,729 --> 01:50:42,850
genuinely no Greg Bishop there's some

2562
01:50:46,979 --> 01:50:44,739
genuinely nice people in this field and

2563
01:50:49,430 --> 01:50:46,989
you know that's a real saving grace I

2564
01:50:52,649 --> 01:50:49,440
think because if everybody was like me I

2565
01:50:54,810 --> 01:50:52,659
mean I could be nice to but I I just

2566
01:50:56,820 --> 01:50:54,820
don't have the patience to be you know

2567
01:50:59,070 --> 01:50:56,830
the mystery super nice guy to everybody

2568
01:51:01,790 --> 01:50:59,080
I mean I see Don Schmidt's name on there

2569
01:51:05,550 --> 01:51:01,800
and that kind of rubs me the wrong way

2570
01:51:07,290 --> 01:51:05,560
you know I could go with some other

2571
01:51:09,750 --> 01:51:07,300
speakers that are on there not because

2572
01:51:13,620 --> 01:51:09,760
I'm not on the bill but you know might

2573
01:51:15,810 --> 01:51:13,630
be s meter is just so fine-tuned and so

2574
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:15,820
sensitive now that you know I have a

2575
01:51:19,439 --> 01:51:17,650
hard time just giving people passes

2576
01:51:22,350 --> 01:51:19,449
after passes after passes I mean how

2577
01:51:24,209 --> 01:51:22,360
many times can you show that you're just

2578
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:24,219
in this for the notoriety and the money

2579
01:51:30,990 --> 01:51:28,570
and get away with yet again having your

2580
01:51:34,229 --> 01:51:31,000
integrity legitimately called into

2581
01:51:36,300 --> 01:51:34,239
question so Alejandro is you know is

2582
01:51:37,800 --> 01:51:36,310
still at a place where he's willing to

2583
01:51:40,050 --> 01:51:37,810
give people a second or third or four

2584
01:51:42,060 --> 01:51:40,060
chance and and that's that that's the

2585
01:51:43,590 --> 01:51:42,070
sign of a truly nice guy but you know

2586
01:51:46,399 --> 01:51:43,600
maybe there is a little rose-colored

2587
01:51:49,760 --> 01:51:46,409
glasses thing going on and in some areas

2588
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:49,770
of his relationships and in

2589
01:51:55,200 --> 01:51:51,850
understanding of the subject matter and

2590
01:51:57,510 --> 01:51:55,210
and you know we all have our our blind

2591
01:52:00,990 --> 01:51:57,520
spots we all have our foibles and

2592
01:52:03,209 --> 01:52:01,000
idiosyncrasies and in that I mean that

2593
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:03,219
extends across the width and breadth of

2594
01:52:06,680 --> 01:52:05,530
the field so what can I say I mean I

2595
01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:06,690
like alejandro

2596
01:52:11,440 --> 01:52:08,850
and are you considering a close

2597
01:52:14,420 --> 01:52:11,450
associate and friend so hey there you go

2598
01:52:17,180 --> 01:52:14,430
anyway as wild and freaky UFO

2599
01:52:19,220 --> 01:52:17,190
conventions go this is not a wild and

2600
01:52:21,740 --> 01:52:19,230
freaky UFO convention this has a few

2601
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:21,750
people that we might have some qualms

2602
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:24,570
about so there you go about that

2603
01:52:30,650 --> 01:52:27,330
in any case International UFO Congress

2604
01:52:33,530 --> 01:52:30,660
and mid-february good to hear about that

2605
01:52:35,810 --> 01:52:33,540
and that it's gonna continue I just

2606
01:52:37,960 --> 01:52:35,820
wonder what in terms of events if you

2607
01:52:41,540 --> 01:52:37,970
heard anything with the next year's

2608
01:52:43,790 --> 01:52:41,550
MUFON symposiums could be about well

2609
01:52:46,600 --> 01:52:43,800
what did Jen say though I regard being

2610
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:46,610
more straight ahead

2611
01:52:53,090 --> 01:52:50,010
well I would think that they kind of

2612
01:52:54,830 --> 01:52:53,100
learned their lesson from the

2613
01:52:58,520 --> 01:52:54,840
controversy that sprung up from the last

2614
01:52:59,900 --> 01:52:58,530
one but let's let's go ahead and and

2615
01:53:02,540 --> 01:52:59,910
we'll do a quick check here and we'll

2616
01:53:05,270 --> 01:53:02,550
see you know what we're looking at I

2617
01:53:09,110 --> 01:53:05,280
think UFOs in the future of humanity I

2618
01:53:12,830 --> 01:53:09,120
think is the is the the big overarching

2619
01:53:14,270 --> 01:53:12,840
theme of course for the past three or

2620
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:14,280
four years I've been in demanding

2621
01:53:21,440 --> 01:53:16,010
they're raised to anfor be included and

2622
01:53:23,450 --> 01:53:21,450
in in the speaker's roster simply

2623
01:53:25,790 --> 01:53:23,460
because I think he's really the most

2624
01:53:29,740 --> 01:53:25,800
important person right now doing the

2625
01:53:32,060 --> 01:53:29,750
most important work in terms of you know

2626
01:53:34,370 --> 01:53:32,070
magneto hydrodynamics and propulsion

2627
01:53:36,260 --> 01:53:34,380
diagnostic work there is nobody else

2628
01:53:38,870 --> 01:53:36,270
that's doing the work that Ray is doing

2629
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:38,880
and and for that fact in that fact alone

2630
01:53:46,660 --> 01:53:43,370
I think he deserves to be to be given a

2631
01:53:48,950 --> 01:53:46,670
platform to to get get some of the

2632
01:53:51,620 --> 01:53:48,960
results of his and out and analytical

2633
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:51,630
work out there but you know again people

2634
01:53:55,460 --> 01:53:53,010
you know are caught up in their

2635
01:53:58,480 --> 01:53:55,470
fantasies they did much rather you know

2636
01:54:02,030 --> 01:53:58,490
talk about space Wars and you know

2637
01:54:04,790 --> 01:54:02,040
Birdman blue colored bird men and only

2638
01:54:08,090 --> 01:54:04,800
blue I wonder about blue colored bird

2639
01:54:10,010 --> 01:54:08,100
men you know I was thinking here of

2640
01:54:12,860 --> 01:54:10,020
Avatar they're more like green aren't

2641
01:54:15,050 --> 01:54:12,870
they you know they're blue but they're

2642
01:54:17,420 --> 01:54:15,060
they don't have feathers and they don't

2643
01:54:20,030 --> 01:54:17,430
do Baphomet science within mudras with

2644
01:54:21,770 --> 01:54:20,040
their fingers it's kind of a different

2645
01:54:23,810 --> 01:54:21,780
kind of blue like a you know and it's

2646
01:54:27,470 --> 01:54:23,820
kind of a blue and they got four more of

2647
01:54:30,280 --> 01:54:27,480
those by the way for more Avatar movies

2648
01:54:32,150 --> 01:54:30,290
are coming cool I like the first one I

2649
01:54:35,230 --> 01:54:32,160
mean it was such a bleeding-heart

2650
01:54:38,690 --> 01:54:35,240
liberal movie with you know the the

2651
01:54:41,570 --> 01:54:38,700
planet being inhabited with alien Native

2652
01:54:43,100 --> 01:54:41,580
American types with a little bit of

2653
01:54:45,920 --> 01:54:43,110
Africa thrown in there

2654
01:54:48,440 --> 01:54:45,930
I thought it was very very well done I

2655
01:54:51,620 --> 01:54:48,450
really you know push the bar forward and

2656
01:54:54,680 --> 01:54:51,630
in terms of the seamlessness between CGI

2657
01:54:59,960 --> 01:54:54,690
and and we can and will you know life

2658
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you know merging the real and the the

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imagined I think between you know the

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whole Peter Jackson you know the Lord of

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the Rings and The Hobbit movies and then

2662
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they kind of took it to the next level

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and then avatar really pushed it you

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know and push the bar even more and it's

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getting to the point now where it's

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gonna be virtually impossible to even

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with you know a professional I to be

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able to separate fact from you know CGI

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soon the blending of the two is just so

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seamless now that it's just a brave new

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world and you know I support that for

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you know for the sake of fantasy

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entertainment for a couple hours but

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when that sort of technology starts to

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filter into the internet and it's touted

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as being the real UFO sightings or real

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paranormal events wink wink wink

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you know with with a lot of clickbait

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mentality and that sort of thing then I

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have problems with it but but it's just

2681
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if I ever do find new as 8 9 10 year old

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what was going to be in the future in

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terms of the level of artistic

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achievement and with merging with

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technology they would have blown my mind

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and I wouldn't believed it I don't know

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if I knew where things would turn out I

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might have decided to go to another

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planet or something

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I'm not at all happy with the way things

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have turned out in terms of space travel

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for example yeah I was thinking about

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all these great things happening when I

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was in my 20s and then the space program

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at least the public space program and I

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don't believe most of the tales of

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secret space program beyond the

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intelligence gathering and such I think

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all the stuff that's happened since then

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have been a waste not that the Space

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Shuttle was bad or the space probes that

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were doing or bad but when you see

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what's going on you think you're still

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in 2017 when we should have been on

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every planet in the solar system and

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ready to go interstellar so in that

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respect you know I kind of think things

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haven't gone the way I had hoped they

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would go we hope to have more segments

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with gene and Chris you're in the para

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but he'll be back in the near future for

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a final rundown on what happened again

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the International UFO Congress I know

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there are several questions from

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listeners that we will hold in abeyance

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until then so we can continue just a

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shall we say better look better

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responsive look on your iPhone iPad or

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at alternate ways for you to pay for

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with PayPal we're working on doing it

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with wire transfers through the bank and

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also possibly Bitcoin and a few of the

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other services like to check out some of

2850
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these other services they use for buying

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software and such so we'll see what

2852
02:03:39,370 --> 02:03:35,570
happens in any case let's continue here

2853
02:03:45,400 --> 02:03:39,380
in 2017 Chris O'Brien do you think we

2854
02:03:49,330 --> 02:03:45,410
learned anything new about UFOs no I was

2855
02:03:54,150 --> 02:03:49,340
thinking here if I if I added any year

2856
02:03:57,270 --> 02:03:54,160
if I said 2010 if I said 1985

2857
02:04:02,280 --> 02:03:57,280
I said 2050 would your answer be

2858
02:04:05,610 --> 02:04:02,290
different no no we continually spin our

2859
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wheels we learn more about the ingenuity

2860
02:04:12,660 --> 02:04:09,580
of people's imaginations and attempts to

2861
02:04:16,160 --> 02:04:12,670
monetize their fantasies we learn a lot

2862
02:04:19,740 --> 02:04:16,170
about that every year in terms of actual

2863
02:04:22,080 --> 02:04:19,750
public available knowledge about the

2864
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subject now in terms of what's going on

2865
02:04:28,290 --> 02:04:23,950
privately with people like ray Stanford

2866
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yes I learned a lot more I'm not at

2867
02:04:34,080 --> 02:04:31,960
liberty to discuss yeah would like would

2868
02:04:36,540 --> 02:04:34,090
much rather ray do that he does a much

2869
02:04:37,770 --> 02:04:36,550
better job at it anyway but you know

2870
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there are certain things I think we're

2871
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worth you know three steps forward two

2872
02:04:49,280 --> 02:04:45,610
and you know five six step steps back we

2873
02:04:54,810 --> 02:04:49,290
are very very slightly moving forward

2874
02:04:58,010 --> 02:04:54,820
with our limited knowledge but I think

2875
02:05:00,810 --> 02:04:58,020
the the steps forward really are just

2876
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subterfuge and like I said people's

2877
02:05:08,420 --> 02:05:04,210
creative fantasies and you know I I

2878
02:05:11,370 --> 02:05:08,430
think the the whole emerging millennial

2879
02:05:15,870 --> 02:05:11,380
interest in these subjects are going to

2880
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be more and more of a I think a focus

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for shall we say very elaborate and very

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well-thought-out hoaxed information to

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try to create cults of personality to

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attempt to you know I guess capitalize

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and monetize and and and make money off

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particular subjects there's an

2887
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incredible emerging and it's it's always

2888
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been there but I really feel a

2889
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groundswell of kind of earnest very

2890
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innocent yearning for some sort of

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answers relating to the UFO question and

2892
02:05:58,110 --> 02:05:56,200
and again and I sound like a broken

2893
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record I've said this so many times but

2894
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it's really verging on becoming almost

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religious in its you know the the

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ability of people to suspend their

2897
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disbelief

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into just fervently almost willfully

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wanting something to be true so that it

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will conform to their their spiritual

2901
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which i think is subconscious really but

2902
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a subconscious desire for some sort of

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spiritual redemption or something to

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replace outmoded spiritual and religious

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structures that are slowly dying on the

2906
02:06:40,920 --> 02:06:37,000
vine so to speak but so many people are

2907
02:06:44,100 --> 02:06:40,930
just so you know they're so over this

2908
02:06:46,050 --> 02:06:44,110
whole thing with you know jihad Islam or

2909
02:06:47,510 --> 02:06:46,060
you know just out of touch

2910
02:06:51,470 --> 02:06:47,520
pedophilia Christian you know

2911
02:06:55,620 --> 02:06:51,480
Catholicism or you know money-hungry

2912
02:06:58,550 --> 02:06:55,630
evangelical conservative Christians you

2913
02:07:01,470 --> 02:06:58,560
know the Israelis were just running

2914
02:07:03,090 --> 02:07:01,480
Zionism and Judaism into the ground with

2915
02:07:05,490 --> 02:07:03,100
with the way that they're dealing with

2916
02:07:07,220 --> 02:07:05,500
the Palestinian issue and and

2917
02:07:10,080 --> 02:07:07,230
manipulating events in the Middle East

2918
02:07:13,530 --> 02:07:10,090
so I think the the big three Western

2919
02:07:15,870 --> 02:07:13,540
religions are leaving people cold in

2920
02:07:19,680 --> 02:07:15,880
this country and in in Europe I think

2921
02:07:21,480 --> 02:07:19,690
and in less so maybe in South America

2922
02:07:24,870 --> 02:07:21,490
but it's it's I think it's a growing

2923
02:07:27,630 --> 02:07:24,880
trend of dissatisfaction with you know

2924
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what we the few things we have in our

2925
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reality to grasp ahold of spiritually

2926
02:07:37,650 --> 02:07:32,380
and so I think the whole UFO

2927
02:07:40,680 --> 02:07:37,660
you know this whole paranormal upsurge

2928
02:07:42,300 --> 02:07:40,690
in interest you know we saw it in 92

2929
02:07:44,280 --> 02:07:42,310
with it with the advent of the x-files

2930
02:07:47,430 --> 02:07:44,290
it was a big resurgence of interest in

2931
02:07:49,650 --> 02:07:47,440
these subjects and then 99 you know 9/11

2932
02:07:52,560 --> 02:07:49,660
sort of dashed it for a while and it did

2933
02:07:54,750 --> 02:07:52,570
it seems to die out and then BOOM slowly

2934
02:07:57,750 --> 02:07:54,760
it's coming back with all the secret

2935
02:08:00,930 --> 02:07:57,760
space program and whistleblowers and you

2936
02:08:04,230 --> 02:08:00,940
know Sparky we sparking interest if they

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have anything positive it's that they've

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actually sparked interest in these

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subjects and and got got people more and

2940
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more active and involved but

2941
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unfortunately its quality of involvement

2942
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in its quality of information that then

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I'm and I'm sure you are gene really

2944
02:08:21,359 --> 02:08:19,450
concerned about and you know people have

2945
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:21,369
been dogging me for being Kermit

2946
02:08:28,589 --> 02:08:24,010
and being down on this and down on that

2947
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and not afraid to name names not afraid

2948
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to point you know fingers of culpability

2949
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and that sort of thing you know it's a

2950
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tough damn job but somebody's got to do

2951
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it and I'm you know I'm at a point now

2952
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where I'm I don't care what anybody

2953
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thinks my work speaks for itself I

2954
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haven't I have integrity I've done the

2955
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best possible job I've been able to do I

2956
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stand behind my work proudly you know I

2957
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only venture you know where the evidence

2958
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you know supports and in and suggests

2959
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and you know I'm trying to be a beacon

2960
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of example out there and it's um you

2961
02:09:08,310 --> 02:09:05,979
know people that are up-and-coming like

2962
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Colin Schneider you know I've been in

2963
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contact with him the sixteen-year-old

2964
02:09:14,279 --> 02:09:12,699
wonder wonder kid who's got his own

2965
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radio show he's already got a book deal

2966
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he's speaking at conferences John

2967
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Greenwald was very similar back in the

2968
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90s what he started when he was 14

2969
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but Colin you know and I would not be

2970
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surprised if that kid within a year has

2971
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his own television show

2972
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wink wink you know there is hope I think

2973
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from the younger generation I think

2974
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there are some smart kids out there that

2975
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can see through all the BS they can see

2976
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through all the wishful thinking and I

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think that bodes well I think we have

2978
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some really smart kids that are biding

2979
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their time but taking notes and they're

2980
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they're doing due diligence and their

2981
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research and I'm really you know I just

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hope before I pass on to the to the next

2983
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you know software iteration game that

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I've at least inspired a few people to

2985
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take the mantle and do it properly and

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have integrity and really work their

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butts off to try to come up with some

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real real good data and sim possibly

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some you know suggestions of an answer

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you know who knows you know I like what

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you said next software iteration you

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know maybe that's all we are is some

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works well from my end Chris is staying

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mentioning of course departing this

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happens here is that we are just

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creations from some advanced beings out

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there it's like having a whole galaxy at

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you wearing your necklace that was with

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men in black the galaxy in your necklace

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it's like the whole reframing the debate

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thread that's going on on the forums you

3123
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know I think that we do have a spark

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that is unique to each each and every

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one of us that's ties into the whole

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concept of a soul or a connection to the

3127
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divine everything else is is Maya as the

3128
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you know the Hindi's view of it it's

3129
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it's Elysian it's it's a lot of details

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that we sort of weather for karmic

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reasons or weather for some sort of

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morality progress in our souls journey

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we've created a lot of the details in

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our lives that it's almost self self

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create you know it's a self creative

3136
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process so at least that's kind of the

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way that I've always viewed my existence

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so I'm much more of a gnostic someone

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that has a direct connection with my my

3140
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sense of my connection to the divine and

3141
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I you know I work I work that connection

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with my my true divine will I think is

3143
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very important I don't allow myself my

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spirit to be colonized into some

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religious dogma and and I think more and

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more people are feeling that compulsion

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to do that and getting back to what I

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was saying before I think kids coming

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along these days are really brighten up

3150
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to speed they realize some of them

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obviously the vast majority don't but

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there's there's a a small percentage of

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them that realized that their their

3154
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culture is not their friend that they

3155
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are being programmed

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to obey and to consume and to keep quiet

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and die and you know unfortunately it's

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our generation gene that brought pretty

3159
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much you know has has really brought

3160
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this whole scenario to a head I can't

3161
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apologize for my generation but I can't

3162
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say if I've ever been involved in that

3163
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part of the process man somebody take me

3164
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to task and I welcome anybody to go

3165
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ahead and come up with the evidence to

3166
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support me being part of the problem but

3167
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I think I think these kids are we're not

3168
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giving them enough credit I think

3169
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there's a lot of really bright kids out

3170
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there to have instant access to as much

3171
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information as they possibly could ever

3172
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want to consume and I think some of them

3173
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are smart enough to consume the right

3174
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type of information and stay away from

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the information that continues to

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bedazzle them and to make them be you

3177
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know totally subservient to their thumbs

3178
02:18:07,780 --> 02:18:06,710
and their iPhones and stuff and and I

3179
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think there's some kids out there that

3180
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are the hope for for this feeble mess

3181
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that we're stirring up here on this

3182
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little backwater planet well again it

3183
02:18:27,639 --> 02:18:23,530
may all be an illusion we created this

3184
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backwater planet out of our imaginations

3185
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but certainly not the kind of

3186
02:18:34,719 --> 02:18:30,469
imagination I want it's more like a

3187
02:18:36,660 --> 02:18:34,729
nightmare that's you know whenever I get

3188
02:18:38,379 --> 02:18:36,670
into it with a contemporary you know

3189
02:18:42,849 --> 02:18:38,389
conversation with a you know a

3190
02:18:44,650 --> 02:18:42,859
conservative Christian not so much you

3191
02:18:47,169 --> 02:18:44,660
know in the past but definitely the last

3192
02:18:49,929 --> 02:18:47,179
10 or so years and they say well if you

3193
02:18:51,790 --> 02:18:49,939
don't you know you know follow Jesus or

3194
02:18:54,820 --> 02:18:51,800
do this or do that you're gonna go to

3195
02:18:59,770 --> 02:18:54,830
hell and I say wait a minute this is

3196
02:19:04,839 --> 02:18:59,780
hell you got it all wrong this is hell

3197
02:19:08,410 --> 02:19:04,849
okay and you know I think of course I'm

3198
02:19:10,419 --> 02:19:08,420
I'm being facetious I'm not buying into

3199
02:19:12,610 --> 02:19:10,429
it you know into a structure and a

3200
02:19:14,020 --> 02:19:12,620
religious dogma that I absolutely have

3201
02:19:17,020 --> 02:19:14,030
no time for and don't believe for a

3202
02:19:19,299 --> 02:19:17,030
second but because they do I just try to

3203
02:19:20,560 --> 02:19:19,309
you know hit them with that just like

3204
02:19:22,120 --> 02:19:20,570
when people say oh you're the car that

3205
02:19:24,250 --> 02:19:22,130
believes in aliens I said wait

3206
02:19:26,110 --> 02:19:24,260
how do you know we're not the aliens and

3207
02:19:28,509 --> 02:19:26,120
the things that are aliens have been

3208
02:19:30,700 --> 02:19:28,519
here longer than we have you know I try

3209
02:19:33,219 --> 02:19:30,710
to try to get people shock them into

3210
02:19:35,679 --> 02:19:33,229
thinking the exact opposite of the way

3211
02:19:40,060 --> 02:19:35,689
that they've been conditioned to to

3212
02:19:44,650 --> 02:19:40,070
believe believe it's the word that I

3213
02:19:46,959 --> 02:19:44,660
just I'm so allergic to believe oh I

3214
02:19:49,210 --> 02:19:46,969
believe this well if you believe this

3215
02:19:51,360 --> 02:19:49,220
and you don't believe everything else if

3216
02:19:53,980 --> 02:19:51,370
you're totally cutting yourself off from

3217
02:19:55,570 --> 02:19:53,990
possibility of an answer well maybe

3218
02:19:58,179 --> 02:19:55,580
that's the time to be Long's problem he

3219
02:20:00,330 --> 02:19:58,189
seems to have some pretty strange belief

3220
02:20:04,240 --> 02:20:00,340
from gloms onto them I am of the opinion

3221
02:20:06,490 --> 02:20:04,250
watching this fundraising measure stall

3222
02:20:08,740 --> 02:20:06,500
out like it has that this is all going

3223
02:20:15,880 --> 02:20:08,750
to disappear and that a year from now

3224
02:20:18,160 --> 02:20:15,890
we'll say Tom who he has two too many

3225
02:20:20,440 --> 02:20:18,170
you know impressive names that have

3226
02:20:23,530 --> 02:20:20,450
decided to sit on the podium for that to

3227
02:20:26,440 --> 02:20:23,540
happen but you know looking into some of

3228
02:20:28,330 --> 02:20:26,450
the financials and stuff I think a lot

3229
02:20:31,260 --> 02:20:28,340
of this money is earmarked to pay off

3230
02:20:34,210 --> 02:20:31,270
money that's already been spent

3231
02:20:36,070 --> 02:20:34,220
right but the fundraising is kind of

3232
02:20:38,710 --> 02:20:36,080
stalled I would thought they could have

3233
02:20:41,880 --> 02:20:38,720
kept it going longer well he hasn't been

3234
02:20:44,080 --> 02:20:41,890
on the pair of cast well that's

3235
02:20:47,440 --> 02:20:44,090
something it's going to be a lesson to

3236
02:20:49,389 --> 02:20:47,450
him Tom DeLonge get a message to him if

3237
02:20:51,400 --> 02:20:49,399
not give us his contact information and

3238
02:20:54,010 --> 02:20:51,410
we'll we'll start dogging him because

3239
02:20:56,760 --> 02:20:54,020
boy if I if I get a you know a direct

3240
02:21:00,219 --> 02:20:56,770
connection to him or to his handlers I

3241
02:21:03,550 --> 02:21:00,229
will I will get them to book him just to

3242
02:21:05,700 --> 02:21:03,560
shut me up and get rid of me I can be

3243
02:21:09,090 --> 02:21:05,710
pretty I could be like a pitbull and

3244
02:21:13,330 --> 02:21:09,100
when I set my mind who uh to something

3245
02:21:16,450 --> 02:21:13,340
okay he's got his mind set on this to

3246
02:21:20,190 --> 02:21:16,460
quote an old song I will be buggin

3247
02:21:24,010 --> 02:21:20,200
alejandro to get us that information

3248
02:21:26,350 --> 02:21:24,020
ASAP and then you can take over I would

3249
02:21:27,310 --> 02:21:26,360
happily like to do that I'll talk I'll

3250
02:21:32,400 --> 02:21:27,320
talk

3251
02:21:35,500 --> 02:21:32,410
blink-182 and progressive pop

3252
02:21:38,769 --> 02:21:35,510
alternative rock

3253
02:21:42,460 --> 02:21:38,779
I never really cared for blink-182 I was

3254
02:21:45,790 --> 02:21:42,470
thought that they were Luba stank and

3255
02:21:47,920 --> 02:21:45,800
them and I could just go through the

3256
02:21:50,050 --> 02:21:47,930
whole litany of bands it all sound the

3257
02:21:52,090 --> 02:21:50,060
same you have to double check to make

3258
02:21:53,260 --> 02:21:52,100
sure that you're listening to you know

3259
02:21:55,510 --> 02:21:53,270
the band you think you are because

3260
02:21:57,400 --> 02:21:55,520
they're all so homogenized and they all

3261
02:22:00,580 --> 02:21:57,410
sound the same that's one of the things

3262
02:22:02,260 --> 02:22:00,590
I have about music these days I will go

3263
02:22:05,230 --> 02:22:02,270
to somewhere like a restaurant they're

3264
02:22:09,099 --> 02:22:05,240
playing current music and I guess

3265
02:22:13,120 --> 02:22:09,109
through their 2017 version of grim music

3266
02:22:16,269 --> 02:22:13,130
or something like that and I listen and

3267
02:22:19,090 --> 02:22:16,279
I can't tell who they are I have no idea

3268
02:22:21,480 --> 02:22:19,100
who they are cuz they all sound the same

3269
02:22:24,340 --> 02:22:21,490
I don't want to sound like an old person

3270
02:22:26,320 --> 02:22:24,350
because it was true even in the early

3271
02:22:29,550 --> 02:22:26,330
days of rock and roll you'd have the

3272
02:22:31,210 --> 02:22:29,560
basic acts that were really so good and

3273
02:22:34,120 --> 02:22:31,220
recognizable then you'd have these

3274
02:22:37,420 --> 02:22:34,130
mainstream acts that the record

3275
02:22:40,000 --> 02:22:37,430
companies put in there and they decide

3276
02:22:42,820 --> 02:22:40,010
to distill what they thought made a hit

3277
02:22:45,790 --> 02:22:42,830
record the teenagers would buy and so

3278
02:22:47,410 --> 02:22:45,800
they created a Fabian you know who is

3279
02:22:50,290 --> 02:22:47,420
somebody I think he was sitting on a

3280
02:22:51,790 --> 02:22:50,300
stoop in Philadelphia and a record

3281
02:22:53,410 --> 02:22:51,800
producer hired him because he looked

3282
02:22:54,160 --> 02:22:53,420
like a singer and he wasn't that great

3283
02:22:56,230 --> 02:22:54,170
or anything

3284
02:23:03,300 --> 02:22:56,240
I guess he tried but people like that

3285
02:23:06,700 --> 02:23:03,310
where this was generic white rock singer

3286
02:23:08,170 --> 02:23:06,710
well and that's what they created well

3287
02:23:10,300 --> 02:23:08,180
it's it's different now at least back

3288
02:23:15,360 --> 02:23:10,310
then they played real instruments and

3289
02:23:20,200 --> 02:23:15,370
had real songs now it's all programmed

3290
02:23:21,790 --> 02:23:20,210
you know just homogenized you know crap

3291
02:23:23,950 --> 02:23:21,800
as far as I'm concerned it all sounds

3292
02:23:26,440 --> 02:23:23,960
the same it's super compressed you have

3293
02:23:29,830 --> 02:23:26,450
no dynamic range everything is all

3294
02:23:32,110 --> 02:23:29,840
digitized and it's an approximation of

3295
02:23:33,880 --> 02:23:32,120
you know of real sound with your analog

3296
02:23:37,679 --> 02:23:33,890
sound waves and

3297
02:23:40,450 --> 02:23:37,689
with you know vocal pitch correction and

3298
02:23:41,740 --> 02:23:40,460
quanta size quantization you know to

3299
02:23:44,050 --> 02:23:41,750
make sure all the instruments are right

3300
02:23:45,309 --> 02:23:44,060
on the sixteenth note of the eighth note

3301
02:23:47,439 --> 02:23:45,319
of the quarter note whatever it is

3302
02:23:50,290 --> 02:23:47,449
everything's got to be perfect and that

3303
02:23:52,780 --> 02:23:50,300
they've totally sucked the human element

3304
02:23:53,830 --> 02:23:52,790
out of music there's no spontaneity you

3305
02:23:56,880 --> 02:23:53,840
know I kind of think you can take a

3306
02:24:00,910 --> 02:23:56,890
computer and you plug in all the songs

3307
02:24:04,330 --> 02:24:00,920
written by the Beatles and the various

3308
02:24:07,139 --> 02:24:04,340
solo songs plus their influences and

3309
02:24:11,139 --> 02:24:07,149
with that computer be able to create a

3310
02:24:13,420 --> 02:24:11,149
credible Beatles song sounding using

3311
02:24:15,820 --> 02:24:13,430
sampling like the Beatles that's the

3312
02:24:16,809 --> 02:24:15,830
question I don't think they could we've

3313
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got more to come

3314
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Chris you're in thank you for listening

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[Music]

3415
02:28:49,360 --> 02:28:47,229
hi this is Bryce Abel I'm the producer

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of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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[Music]

3421
02:29:07,649 --> 02:29:05,109
as Chris says no because I think the

3422
02:29:09,000 --> 02:29:07,659
kind of talent they have is amazing

3423
02:29:12,809 --> 02:29:09,010
no yeah I mean you're talking

3424
02:29:15,719 --> 02:29:12,819
world-class sound songwriting uh story

3425
02:29:20,069 --> 02:29:15,729
that somebody told where Picasso dies

3426
02:29:22,469 --> 02:29:20,079
and Paul McCartney's visiting Dustin

3427
02:29:24,120 --> 02:29:22,479
Hoffman who told the story and he grabs

3428
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his guitar and comes out with that song

3429
02:29:29,819 --> 02:29:27,069
that a lot of you have heard and it just

3430
02:29:32,639 --> 02:29:29,829
comes out of his mind like that that's

3431
02:29:35,069 --> 02:29:32,649
not something that computers create at

3432
02:29:37,439 --> 02:29:35,079
the poolside I'm not sure it was at the

3433
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poolside but you know he was just

3434
02:29:41,189 --> 02:29:39,760
playing with his guitar what song I'm

3435
02:29:44,099 --> 02:29:41,199
looking at the lyrics it was about

3436
02:29:45,090 --> 02:29:44,109
Picasso I'm trying to look at the lyrics

3437
02:29:49,050 --> 02:29:45,100
of it right now

3438
02:29:51,809 --> 02:29:49,060
yeah Picasso drink to me and he was

3439
02:29:56,790 --> 02:29:51,819
challenged by Dustin Hoffman to write a

3440
02:29:59,099 --> 02:29:56,800
song based on Picasso and as a song that

3441
02:30:02,069 --> 02:29:59,109
you know drink to me da da da you know

3442
02:30:03,240 --> 02:30:02,079
you never heard the song and he says how

3443
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do you write your songs because I just

3444
02:30:07,260 --> 02:30:05,770
make them up and and here's the lyrics

3445
02:30:08,700 --> 02:30:07,270
right here here we go I'm looking at the

3446
02:30:11,279 --> 02:30:08,710
lyrics right now here bring him up here

3447
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the grand old painter died last night

3448
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his paintings on the wall before he went

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he bade us well and said good night to

3450
02:30:22,080 --> 02:30:20,079
us all drink to me drink to my health

3451
02:30:24,359 --> 02:30:22,090
you know I can't drink anymore

3452
02:30:26,040 --> 02:30:24,369
drink to me drink to my health you know

3453
02:30:28,740 --> 02:30:26,050
I can't drink anymore you've heard that

3454
02:30:30,719 --> 02:30:28,750
song yeah kind of rings a bell I was

3455
02:30:32,550 --> 02:30:30,729
never really into McCartney as a solo

3456
02:30:35,040 --> 02:30:32,560
artist because without Lennon I thought

3457
02:30:37,889 --> 02:30:35,050
he went into the realm of real sort of

3458
02:30:40,590 --> 02:30:37,899
pablum and there are very very few songs

3459
02:30:43,290 --> 02:30:40,600
that he wrote on his own that I really

3460
02:30:45,719 --> 02:30:43,300
really like and they tend to be the

3461
02:30:48,240 --> 02:30:45,729
earlier ones I think the problem with

3462
02:30:50,819 --> 02:30:48,250
McCartney as a solo artist he tended to

3463
02:30:53,729 --> 02:30:50,829
be too syrupy he is somebody with a

3464
02:30:57,240 --> 02:30:53,739
touch of sarcasm someone's knocking at

3465
02:31:00,500 --> 02:30:57,250
the door someone's ringing the bell do

3466
02:31:03,660 --> 02:31:00,510
me a favor open the door to let him in

3467
02:31:05,910 --> 02:31:03,670
yeah yeah I mean that's that's light

3468
02:31:08,069 --> 02:31:05,920
years away from Penny Lane and think

3469
02:31:11,910 --> 02:31:08,079
about this way he also wrote the theme

3470
02:31:15,420 --> 02:31:11,920
song for James Bond movie yes he did and

3471
02:31:17,640 --> 02:31:15,430
those lyrics made no sense whatever what

3472
02:31:20,640 --> 02:31:17,650
was just a bunch of crazy words strung

3473
02:31:23,370 --> 02:31:20,650
together of course Roger more to my mind

3474
02:31:27,900 --> 02:31:23,380
never made sense as James Bond he would

3475
02:31:31,469 --> 02:31:27,910
not even try to do his own stunts he was

3476
02:31:33,960 --> 02:31:31,479
afraid of guns he just get up there and

3477
02:31:35,880 --> 02:31:33,970
talk and even walking sometimes he'd

3478
02:31:39,330 --> 02:31:35,890
have a stunt double because they didn't

3479
02:31:53,130 --> 02:31:39,340
like the way he walked too much

3480
02:31:56,969 --> 02:31:53,140
information Jane big fake sometimes the

3481
02:31:58,980 --> 02:31:56,979
the sum total of a collaboration is

3482
02:32:01,650 --> 02:31:58,990
lightyears ahead of you know each

3483
02:32:03,990 --> 02:32:01,660
individual's output I mean John Lennon

3484
02:32:06,660 --> 02:32:04,000
as far as I'm concerned he his

3485
02:32:08,400 --> 02:32:06,670
songwriting really kind of deep sixed

3486
02:32:10,590 --> 02:32:08,410
for many years until the Double Fantasy

3487
02:32:13,800 --> 02:32:10,600
album which he wrote in three weeks

3488
02:32:15,690 --> 02:32:13,810
which I find amazing you know there were

3489
02:32:18,330 --> 02:32:15,700
of course you have imagined you have

3490
02:32:20,640 --> 02:32:18,340
working-class hero and then you have is

3491
02:32:27,210 --> 02:32:20,650
his answer song to McCartney how do you

3492
02:32:29,520 --> 02:32:27,220
sleep which I found quite humorous when

3493
02:32:31,650 --> 02:32:29,530
I heard it for the first time but you

3494
02:32:33,990 --> 02:32:31,660
know we digress I mean basically what we

3495
02:32:39,000 --> 02:32:34,000
were talking about is is how homogenized

3496
02:32:41,940 --> 02:32:39,010
and and just pre-programmed and you know

3497
02:32:44,400 --> 02:32:41,950
err corrected to death modern pop music

3498
02:32:47,250 --> 02:32:44,410
is and you know there are some

3499
02:32:49,670 --> 02:32:47,260
exceptions to that of course you know

3500
02:32:52,350 --> 02:32:49,680
there's some pretty good bands out there

3501
02:32:57,350 --> 02:32:52,360
you know I mean I could start naming off

3502
02:33:04,679 --> 02:32:57,360
a few you know Arcade Fire The Killers

3503
02:33:07,110 --> 02:33:04,689
My Morning Jacket go down the list I

3504
02:33:09,090 --> 02:33:07,120
mean there are you foster the people I

3505
02:33:11,400 --> 02:33:09,100
mean there are some bands that that have

3506
02:33:15,540 --> 02:33:11,410
kind of their own signature sound and

3507
02:33:18,110 --> 02:33:15,550
and are trying to write things that at

3508
02:33:21,840 --> 02:33:18,120
least aren't just throwaway pop tunes

3509
02:33:25,550 --> 02:33:21,850
but you don't have the lyric depth you

3510
02:33:31,700 --> 02:33:25,560
don't have the you know the poetry

3511
02:33:34,410 --> 02:33:31,710
you know of a Dylan of Pete Townsend

3512
02:33:36,210 --> 02:33:34,420
you know the songwriting has just that

3513
02:33:40,110 --> 02:33:36,220
the quality of the lyric content has

3514
02:33:44,130 --> 02:33:40,120
gone so far downhill don't get me

3515
02:33:46,769 --> 02:33:44,140
started about Taylor Swift I sampled an

3516
02:33:48,150 --> 02:33:46,779
album of hers and iTunes you know you

3517
02:33:49,679 --> 02:33:48,160
can get up to like a minute and a half

3518
02:33:51,840 --> 02:33:49,689
of each song so you got a sense of each

3519
02:34:01,769 --> 02:33:51,850
song and I listened to five or six of

3520
02:34:02,670 --> 02:34:01,779
them and it sounded like one song yeah I

3521
02:34:07,130 --> 02:34:02,680
have to ask

3522
02:34:11,460 --> 02:34:10,019
and you blame it on sting he's the one

3523
02:34:13,010 --> 02:34:11,470
that really got it started in the late

3524
02:34:15,269 --> 02:34:13,020
eighties he kind of came up with that

3525
02:34:16,920 --> 02:34:15,279
that whole idea but they've taken the

3526
02:34:19,469 --> 02:34:16,930
ball and ran with it boy I'll tell you

3527
02:34:21,750 --> 02:34:19,479
and it's in there was a great video I

3528
02:34:25,590 --> 02:34:21,760
posted on my Facebook page that shows

3529
02:34:29,070 --> 02:34:25,600
how it shows all the you know

3530
02:34:31,920 --> 02:34:29,080
similarities that you are able to pull

3531
02:34:34,920 --> 02:34:31,930
out of a song after song after song in

3532
02:34:39,150 --> 02:34:34,930
the last five to six years and it's all

3533
02:34:40,950 --> 02:34:39,160
based on the same basic formula and many

3534
02:34:42,450 --> 02:34:40,960
of the songs were written by two guys so

3535
02:34:44,389 --> 02:34:42,460
there's two main songwriters that

3536
02:34:46,860 --> 02:34:44,399
everybody is kind of going with because

3537
02:34:48,780 --> 02:34:46,870
they've got this wonderful track record

3538
02:34:50,070 --> 02:34:48,790
and it doesn't matter if it's country it

3539
02:34:51,690 --> 02:34:50,080
doesn't matter if it's pop it doesn't

3540
02:34:54,059 --> 02:34:51,700
matter if it's R&B these guys are

3541
02:34:55,980 --> 02:34:54,069
they're the ones that everybody's paying

3542
02:34:58,940 --> 02:34:55,990
big bucks to you know to write them hit

3543
02:35:01,980 --> 02:34:58,950
songs and you know it's it's

3544
02:35:03,179 --> 02:35:01,990
unfortunately you know the more water

3545
02:35:06,990 --> 02:35:03,189
goes under the bridge the more

3546
02:35:10,650 --> 02:35:07,000
formalized and formalized our reality

3547
02:35:13,650 --> 02:35:10,660
becomes and it's getting to the point

3548
02:35:16,860 --> 02:35:13,660
where spontaneity and and true

3549
02:35:19,320 --> 02:35:16,870
creativity is being subjugated to the

3550
02:35:21,780 --> 02:35:19,330
demands and the you know constraints of

3551
02:35:24,900 --> 02:35:21,790
the marketplace and it's not just about

3552
02:35:26,969 --> 02:35:24,910
music folks no no it's not it's it's

3553
02:35:29,490 --> 02:35:26,979
about marketing it's about you know

3554
02:35:31,830 --> 02:35:29,500
looking good and you know we're in the

3555
02:35:35,130 --> 02:35:31,840
right clothes and being able to be seen

3556
02:35:38,010 --> 02:35:35,140
at the right events and having the right

3557
02:35:40,410 --> 02:35:38,020
amount of Twitter followers and

3558
02:35:42,779 --> 02:35:40,420
you know it's everything is becoming

3559
02:35:44,819 --> 02:35:42,789
more and more superficial there's no

3560
02:35:48,809 --> 02:35:44,829
depth anymore you don't have Brian

3561
02:35:51,599 --> 02:35:48,819
Wilson you know writing you know just

3562
02:35:54,479 --> 02:35:51,609
gorgeous gorgeous in introspective songs

3563
02:35:55,859 --> 02:35:54,489
that will stand the test of time you

3564
02:35:58,559 --> 02:35:55,869
know none of these artists that you hear

3565
02:36:01,529 --> 02:35:58,569
today are gonna be here in 10 20 years

3566
02:36:05,819 --> 02:36:01,539
at least that I can see I don't see any

3567
02:36:08,639 --> 02:36:05,829
potential for truly memorable historical

3568
02:36:11,490 --> 02:36:08,649
you know stuff you know they're going

3569
02:36:13,439 --> 02:36:11,500
back on the using 60s and 70s Ong and so

3570
02:36:15,479 --> 02:36:13,449
many commercials are I mean they'd be

3571
02:36:19,290 --> 02:36:15,489
they whipped out the History Channel for

3572
02:36:22,590 --> 02:36:19,300
its show coming up on the show know the

3573
02:36:24,510 --> 02:36:22,600
big events of 2017 they're using the old

3574
02:36:26,189 --> 02:36:24,520
Buffalo Springfield song up for what

3575
02:36:28,229 --> 02:36:26,199
it's worth you know there's something

3576
02:36:30,750 --> 02:36:28,239
happening here what it is ain't exactly

3577
02:36:33,359 --> 02:36:30,760
clear there's a man with a gun over

3578
02:36:35,760 --> 02:36:33,369
there and in you know those types of

3579
02:36:39,300 --> 02:36:35,770
lyrics even though they don't really

3580
02:36:41,460 --> 02:36:39,310
sound that profound they've lasted

3581
02:36:43,679 --> 02:36:41,470
they've stuck around they're using them

3582
02:36:45,870 --> 02:36:43,689
almost 50 years later they're still

3583
02:36:48,029 --> 02:36:45,880
using them in in really expensive

3584
02:36:50,790 --> 02:36:48,039
commercials I tell you one one thing

3585
02:36:53,189 --> 02:36:50,800
I'll give you one song a fairly recent

3586
02:36:56,370 --> 02:36:53,199
song that reminded me of the old days

3587
02:37:00,149 --> 02:36:56,380
and just analytics from John Fogerty

3588
02:37:02,540 --> 02:37:00,159
it's deja vu all over again anyway we

3589
02:37:05,729 --> 02:37:02,550
had fun we've got two more shows for the

3590
02:37:07,649 --> 02:37:05,739
remainder of 2017 next week we've got

3591
02:37:10,170 --> 02:37:07,659
rosemary ellen guiley is one of her

3592
02:37:11,639 --> 02:37:10,180
guests after a while she hasn't been on

3593
02:37:14,250 --> 02:37:11,649
the show and that will be a fascinating

3594
02:37:16,830 --> 02:37:14,260
visit with her and we've got some more

3595
02:37:19,290 --> 02:37:16,840
excitement coming so stay with us

3596
02:37:22,380 --> 02:37:19,300
earlier on the show we had Alejandro

3597
02:37:24,929 --> 02:37:22,390
Rojas of course he is the manager of the

3598
02:37:27,029 --> 02:37:24,939
International UFO Congress and he's got

3599
02:37:29,219 --> 02:37:27,039
a really interesting group of people

3600
02:37:32,250 --> 02:37:29,229
including Robbie Graham who was the

3601
02:37:33,750 --> 02:37:32,260
editor of UFOs reframing of a debate and

3602
02:37:35,460 --> 02:37:33,760
that's been one of our active

3603
02:37:37,410 --> 02:37:35,470
discussions and the power cast forums

3604
02:37:39,359 --> 02:37:37,420
and I really really look forward to

3605
02:37:41,279 --> 02:37:39,369
talking to Robbie personally I think

3606
02:37:43,439 --> 02:37:41,289
we're gonna have a great little episode

3607
02:37:45,840 --> 02:37:43,449
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3608
02:37:50,160 --> 02:37:45,850
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3609
02:37:51,660 --> 02:37:50,170
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3610
02:37:53,550 --> 02:37:51,670
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3611
02:37:56,190 --> 02:37:53,560
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3612
02:37:57,900 --> 02:37:56,200
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3613
02:38:01,500 --> 02:37:57,910
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3614
02:38:05,000 --> 02:38:01,510
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3615
02:38:07,830 --> 02:38:05,010
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3616
02:38:10,230 --> 02:38:07,840
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3617
02:38:11,910 --> 02:38:10,240
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3620
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3621
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3622
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3629
02:39:02,860 --> 02:39:00,000
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3630
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